ChAoS Posted September 4, 2015 Report Share Posted September 4, 2015 I missed out from the 'off the top of my head' list.I always like to remind people that there *are* lever-action shotguns simply because they get forgotten and mine, at least, is a "hoot to shoot". Your additions kind of drive the point home a bit moreIndeed. Also, the 1887 and M37 seem to have fewer parts than most guns. (The "KISS" principle.) Regards, Mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted September 4, 2015 Report Share Posted September 4, 2015 I always like to remind people that there *are* lever-action shotguns simply because they get forgotten and mine, at least, is a "hoot to shoot". Indeed. Also, the 1887 and M37 seem to have fewer parts than most guns. (The "KISS" principle.) Regards, Mark. Brownings design of lever gun shotgun 1887 is really a lever operated rolling block design with a magazine. Amazing how he did it. I seem to recall a 1901 model too of similar design but may be wrong. U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted September 4, 2015 Report Share Posted September 4, 2015 https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=winchester1901&client=ms-unknown&source=android-browser-type&hl=en-US&prmd=misvn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAmoVChMIu4L9wc_dxwIVchbbCh0HTQbl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChAoS Posted September 4, 2015 Report Share Posted September 4, 2015 Brownings design of lever gun shotgun 1887 is really a lever operated rolling block design with a magazine.Um, I'll take your word for that. Maybe I'll know more of these action types when (if?) my variation comes back for *rifles*. (Lever-actioned, of course...) I seem to recall a 1901 model too of similar design but may be wrong.As I understand it, the 1887s were 10-bore only. The 1901 introduced a 12-bore option. (I'm likely to have "mis-remembered" this info.) It's interesting to note the different ways that Chiappa and Norinco designed their 12-bore versions of the gun; Chiappa took a 10-bore reciever and fitted a 12-bore barrel. Norinco chose to scale the entire 10-bore gun down to 12-bore dimensions. Or so I've been led to believe (by readin' stuff on t'Internet...). https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=winchester1901&client=ms-unknown&source=android-browser-type&hl=en-US&prmd=misvn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAmoVChMIu4L9wc_dxwIVchbbCh0HTQbl Mine is one of these: http://www.chiappafirearms.com/product/831 Regards, Mark. P.S. There's a photo of my actual gun on the Pumpers thread: http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/topic/236687-pump-club/page-10?do=findComment&comment=2067304(bottom gun in the last photo, of course). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted September 4, 2015 Report Share Posted September 4, 2015 Um, I'll take your word for that. Maybe I'll know more of these action types when (if?) my variation comes back for *rifles*. (Lever-actioned, of course...) As I understand it, the 1887s were 10-bore only. The 1901 introduced a 12-bore option. (I'm likely to have "mis-remembered" this info.) It's interesting to note the different ways that Chiappa and Norinco designed their 12-bore versions of the gun; Chiappa took a 10-bore reciever and fitted a 12-bore barrel. Norinco chose to scale the entire 10-bore gun down to 12-bore dimensions. Or so I've been led to believe (by readin' stuff on t'Internet...). Mine is one of these: http://www.chiappafirearms.com/product/831 Regards, Mark. P.S. There's a photo of my actual gun on the Pumpers thread: http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/topic/236687-pump-club/page-10?do=findComment&comment=2067304(bottom gun in the last photo, of course). I enjoyed the video too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted September 4, 2015 Report Share Posted September 4, 2015 What about Hiram Maxim who designed the machine gun that most armies used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted September 4, 2015 Report Share Posted September 4, 2015 What about Hiram Maxim who designed the machine gun that most armies used.Yeah great accolade.How many fathers and sons killed in the first world war was it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChAoS Posted September 4, 2015 Report Share Posted September 4, 2015 I enjoyed the video too. I'm glad to hear that. There'll be a new video, soon, assuming that it gets the "OK" from the RO in it. Regards, Mark. P.S. Given that my nickname is "Captain Chaos" because I break more-or-less anything I touch (or get *near*), considering how much I've used the Chiappa over the last year-and-a-bit, I've had very little trouble with it. I do, however, get the odd hard extraction which'll be illustrated in the up-coming video. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted September 4, 2015 Report Share Posted September 4, 2015 I'm glad to hear that. There'll be a new video, soon, assuming that it gets the "OK" from the RO in it. Regards, Mark. P.S. Given that my nickname is "Captain Chaos" because I break more-or-less anything I touch (or get *near*), considering how much I've used the Chiappa over the last year-and-a-bit, I've had very little trouble with it. I do, however, get the odd hard extraction which'll be illustrated in the up-coming video. How about a smidge of oil in that wide open chamber on your little finger between strings ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChAoS Posted September 4, 2015 Report Share Posted September 4, 2015 How about a smidge of oil in that wide open chamber on your little finger between strings ;-) An interesting idea. Is this a "cowboy" trick? One of our club members is always impressed how slick and reliable the Chiappa is when I use it for PSG. It would seem that, at his CAS club, the Norincos haven't been so, um, "dependable". Regards, Mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted September 4, 2015 Report Share Posted September 4, 2015 An interesting idea. Is this a "cowboy" trick? No sir, just the first thing that entered my head ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duckandswing Posted September 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2015 I think Mr Browning is currently ahead. Based on peoples views to date. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farma Geddon Posted September 4, 2015 Report Share Posted September 4, 2015 Yeah great accolade. How many fathers and sons killed in the first world war was it? You could say the same about Mr Browning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted September 4, 2015 Report Share Posted September 4, 2015 You could say the same about Mr BrowningTrue, but how many sporting gun designs did Maxim come up with?Genuinely, is Browning know firstly as a military arms designer or a sporting gun designer? I don't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted September 4, 2015 Report Share Posted September 4, 2015 Maxim was reported to have said: "In 1882 I was in Vienna, where I met an American whom I had known in the States. He said: 'Hang your chemistry and electricity! If you want to make a pile of money, invent something that will enable these Europeans to cut each others' throats with greater facility.'" Maxim did only patent his machine gun. Browning had about 28 patents. Mostly civilian designs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alycidon Posted September 4, 2015 Report Share Posted September 4, 2015 Very few have said Anson and Deeley who invented the boxlock action, this surprises me but that is two guys, for one single guy then John Moses Browning does stand out. A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted September 4, 2015 Report Share Posted September 4, 2015 What about Hiram Maxim who designed the machine gun that most armies used. Yeah great accolade. How many fathers and sons killed in the first world war was it? The original starter was >> Greatest gun designer/ inventor or brandThere was no mention of sporting guns only and one of my grandfathers is planted out in France from ww1 You could say the same about Mr Browning There are a lot of hits from browning designs also even right up to the present day. The vickers guns were capable of indefinate operation if they had cooling water and just fed ammo. The weapon had a reputation for great solidity and reliability. Ian V Hogg in Weapons & War Machines, describes an action that took place in August 1916, during which the British 100th Company of the Machine Gun Corps fired their ten Vickers guns continuously for twelve hours. Using 100 barrels, they fired a million rounds without a failure. "It was this absolute foolproof reliability which endeared the Vickers to every British soldier who ever fired one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 So the discussion about who is the greatest gun designer has morphed into the greatest and most reliable human life destroyer designer. Great stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChAoS Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 An interesting idea. Is this a "cowboy" trick? No sir, just the first thing that entered my head ;-) I *see*. I've just "published" a new video demonstrating how it's not *only* gun reliablity that can cause foul-ups; "Operator Incompetence" plays a part as well...: I think Mr Browning is currently ahead. Based on peoples views to date. Certainly *I* find his guns pretty good. As I've said, I've found the 1887 pretty damned reliable this past few years. Regards, Mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 Functions great:-)) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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