hellier0437 Posted April 10, 2007 Report Share Posted April 10, 2007 hi, i have been considering a pcp air rifle for a while now but i am cheap and so hve always been put off by the cost of charging equipment. what is the cheapest way of doing this, will my garage air compressor work in any way? (8 bar, i know that this is low). many thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve b Posted April 10, 2007 Report Share Posted April 10, 2007 pump cheaper, divers bottle worth the extra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naddan28 Posted April 10, 2007 Report Share Posted April 10, 2007 pump is free (once you have brought it) tank needs refilling which costs money. If you are able bodied and reasonably young (you have to watch your wording when talking about age on here ) get the pump! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted April 10, 2007 Report Share Posted April 10, 2007 Most PCP's require more than 190 bar to charge. Works by pressure differential, you need more pressure in the thing you are charging with, than in the thing you are charging. That way the air moves in the direction you want, ie into the rifle. Cheapest way is probably to have someone fill it at a club or shop for now. After that its a stirrup pump, hard work but you only need to keep the thing clean and serviced for a few pounds a year and it should last a lifetime. After that its a divers bottle, 3l 232bar second hand bottle is probably the cheapest practical option, then you move onto 300bar kit which is a little bit more money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve b Posted April 10, 2007 Report Share Posted April 10, 2007 divers bottles far more convenient in the long run though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellier0437 Posted April 10, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2007 how much should i expect to pay for a pump and are they available second hand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy75 Posted April 11, 2007 Report Share Posted April 11, 2007 sort of on-topic - just didn't want to start a new thread really as it's the same subject : where do you guys get your diving bottles re-filled? don't say a dive shop as we don't have any nearby! just bought my lovely Hw100K from a chap on the forum, am very pleased. Came with bottle and just planning ahead : Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted April 11, 2007 Report Share Posted April 11, 2007 The kind of air you need in there, ie, moisture and contaminant free (ie Breathing air) can only be provided by someone with either a larger air tank which they decant into yours, or a specialist compressor. The compressors cost a fortune and only diving shops will have them. None of these close? Aqua Marine Scuba Diving School 45, Nevill Close, Leamington Spa, Warwickshire CV31 3HG Tel: 07976 640682 Diving Schools & Equipment Diving Cylinder Regulator Services 148, Coventry Rd, Warwick, Warwickshire CV34 5HL Tel: 01926 493797 Diving Schools & Equipment Mikes UK's No 1 Dive Stores 268-270, Hillmorton Rd, The Paddox Parade, Rugby, Warwickshire CV22 5BW Tel: 01788 551800 Diving Schools & Equipment ScoobaBoosta Ltd 36, West St, Warwick, Warwickshire CV34 6AN Tel: 07786 736306 Diving Schools & Equipment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy75 Posted April 11, 2007 Report Share Posted April 11, 2007 not really B) all more than 45 mins drive. will speak to the guys in purchasing about getting it refilled on the company ticket by BOC - they have deliveries of various gases (mostly welding stuff) a couple of times a week, but I didn't want to put anyone out yet. wonder where the gun shop gets their air from...that should have been the first stop I guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted April 11, 2007 Report Share Posted April 11, 2007 You only want breathing air in there, anything else will have particulates and moisture - you don't want either in there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theskyfox Posted April 11, 2007 Report Share Posted April 11, 2007 I use the Hills Pump with moisture filter. Works a treat....doesnt take a minute to pump up and they claim the filter removes 99% of moisture . its a little expensive to start with, but after it costs nothing to use. -Andrew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyjaimz Posted April 11, 2007 Report Share Posted April 11, 2007 Just a thought, some gun shops are'nt actually allowed to fill divers bottles due to the storage of ammunition on the premises etc. I think it's something to do with storing live ammo and pressure vessels together being a no-no. I'd keep ur eyes peeled for a decent 2nd hand bottle if I were you, mine only costs £3 to fill and lasts ages, i'd be happy driving 45 mins once in a while to fill mine if I had to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted April 11, 2007 Report Share Posted April 11, 2007 Don't even think about filling a p.c.p. with anything other than breathing air. If you do then you run the risk of it blowing up taking your hands and face with it. However if you go against the advice given can you video it? That way we can sticky it on the top of the forum as a warining to others! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy75 Posted April 11, 2007 Report Share Posted April 11, 2007 woah there nelly - not intending to fill her up with anything other than the specified breathing air - its just the BOC lorry carries most gases on board for a delivery around the area, and I'm sure they could be persuaded to carry a bit of BA for me when required The big diving bottle I have is a good size and shows no sign of dropping off pressure yet, just thinking about refill time so I am prepared B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter_HMR Posted April 11, 2007 Report Share Posted April 11, 2007 Fire station? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted April 11, 2007 Report Share Posted April 11, 2007 woah there nelly - not intending to fill her up with anything other than the specified breathing air - its just the BOC lorry carries most gases on board for a delivery around the area, and I'm sure they could be persuaded to carry a bit of BA for me when required Sorry didn't mean to be a bit sharp B) It's just that there have been so many cases of "Can I...." which really equate to "I have done" or "I am going to do anyway regardless" that sometimes I jump to the wrong conclusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_nick Posted April 14, 2007 Report Share Posted April 14, 2007 In Weymouth, it costs £2 to fill a 300 bar 3 liter bottle which has filled my Stealth from empty once, and my s410 10 times so far and its still going strong! Oh and my bottle cost less than my pump AND IT TAKES 5 SECONDS TO DO THE WORK OF 10 MINUTES WITH THE PUMP! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justme Posted April 21, 2007 Report Share Posted April 21, 2007 AND IT TAKES 5 SECONDS TO DO THE WORK OF 10 MINUTES WITH THE PUMP! Ten mins you slacker from completly empty (after a strip) to 200 bar mine takes 100 full stroke pumps. Aprox 2 mins max. As I refill at about 50 bar & stop at 185 bar a normal top up only takes about 1 min. Ok a bottle is easier & if you are plinking or shooting lots of targets its nice but for a hunting trip 70 shots is plenty & you can always top it up during a tea break. Justmr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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