More proof.....

[gduk]

I have been through the last two, like us all.

 

My Father once said "all we will be left with is balloons on sticks"

 

Guess they will ban that someday too.

 

Pathetic morons, but sadly with the blessing of the non shooting fraternity, and 80% of the scared public, if I hear "but why do you need a gun" one more time..............

Edited March 17, 2016 by gduk

[Dekers]

high powered semi-automatic weapons

 

They are already banned in this country and is there a suggestion this means semi shotguns?

 

.22Rimfire would hardly come under this definition.

 

Just the same, any Firearms control suggestion from the EU needs stopping in its tracks!

 

The faster we get out the better!

[rbrowning2]

I'm confused with this unsurprisingly ! It says it may affect some .22 semis that resemble machine guns. I've got a 10/22 it doesn't look like a machine gun but could with a few bits from eBay. Will the guns be banned or the aftermarket parts? Reply from the meps was pretty much he same here in Medway. They all support the move it seems! But couldn't specify which weapons it would affect.

There in lies the problem because it will be impossible or difficult to descriminate with what and what is not a look like machine gun and impossible to stop you adding bits they will go for the simple option and ban your 10/22 or other semi that just may be made to look like a machine gun.

[Livefast123]

We all know with the EU that what they say and what they implement are two different things, especially with the non specific wording. What does high powered mean, to the average shooter it may mean .308 or .223 etc, but to a non shooting Europhile a .22LR has more than enough capacity to kill a human being which means it is high powered. A semi automatic shotgun at close range is devastating........therefore could be construed as high powered.

 

If the EU look at the mortality rates with legally held firearms, then the shining light there would be people who take their own life with a shotgun. Who's to say that the only way to stop this would be to ban shotguns.

 

Don't be fooled, this legislation is a threat to the whole shooting community and should be opposed from all angles. I would expect the shooting organisations to be shouting from the rooftops and trying to educate the public rather than a few muffled arguments and publications in their own magazines which is preaching to the converted. People pay their subs for them to stand up in the hour of need and fight their corner. The EU will not be happy until they have all the power over a unarmed populace and innocent people will still be getting gunned down on the streets of London with automatic firearms.

 

I have taken the time to lobby MEP's and MP's for the area, every shooter should be making the same noise against this.

[Savhmr]

The draft proposals were originally intended to combat current EU loopholes allowing the free trade of deactivated self loading CF rifles without much control which could easily be re-converted in addition to a closer look at the sensibilities of private ownership of self loading CF rifles across the EU. Specifically, rifles like the AK47 which were used in Paris. This however threw up several more opportunities for Brussels. Firstly, and make NO mistake about this, there IS a hardcore of unelected EC commissioners who want to see the banning of all privately held firearms because they see any private ownership as a risk to wider society. Secondly, this was the opportunity to roll out previously discussed amendments to EU fireams controls which were already being discussed prior to Paris, in an attempt to unify gun controls across European boarders. The UK has some of the toughest current legislation but other countries have tougher qualifying criteria for ownership. You can't unify the two things as there's no logic in that when one looks closer at individual country's standards and reasons for qualification or control.

 

These issues have somehow morphed into one, still rather ambiguous, knee-jerk reaction to the planned original drafts which as per usual are dealt with by bureaucrats with a large ban-hammer and with the intention of further legislative controls in the pipeline by way of ongoing gun control addenda to current proposals. Banning isn't the answer as most terrorist firearms in the EU are from two distinct sources, either smuggled in from elsewhere or converted from deact weapons. Anyone with a brain can see that tighter controls on the free trade of deactivated weapons within the EU is inevitable to try at least to close this loophole to terrorists It doesn't mean "ban", it just means tighter control and traceability of deacts as if they were registered live firearms, and that is perfectly sensible when their potential is considered. I fear that any attempts to legislate to make it tougher to reactivate these in place of tougher traceability is a waste of time.

 

The unwelcome aspect is the proposed banning of "high powered" sporting self loading rifles (which were banned here after Hungerford anyway). Shotguns are still an unknown quantity but the resemblance issue could well affect sporting (practical) shotguns and perhaps rimfire "Tacticool" 22LRs. That's illogical and just another example of the net tightening on the original statement about the EC having a longer term agenda. Conspiracy? perhaps, perhaps not but one thing's for sure; such bans will have zero impact on illegally held firearms being used in terrorist activities, and that's a fact. Just because a self loading rifle holds many rounds doesn't preclude it from the licencing and traceability systems. Open borders on the other hand continue to threaten our security and that of the whole of Europe and poses a FAR greater risk to us all.

 

Anyone in any doubt about what it will mean to remain as part of the EU experiment be in no doubt that this is perhaps just the tip of a future iceberg on ever more restrictions of the freedoms of law abiding citizens. Economics are a micro, no a long term picture and are not a sound sole reason for conscientious reasoning in forthcoming referendum. The impacts in all areas of our lives and our current freedoms are more important to me personally, because eventually (medium term) the economy WILL sort itself out once the EU has done throwing rattles out of its pram.

Edited March 18, 2016 by Savhmr

[Scully]

Good post.

[Danger-Mouse]

Excellent post savhmr.