johnnytheboy Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 Does anyone have any loads for an ounce of steel loaded with A0 powder? Thanks in advance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edenman Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 Try 30 grain pushing either 24 or 28 grams, I use it with steel 4s for close quarters wigeon on the mud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnytheboy Posted March 30, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 Thanks Steven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Continental Shooter Posted March 31, 2016 Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 hope that's 20 ga you're talking to? In 12 gauge isn't advisable to load 28g with vectan A0, for all i know even A1 won't like the light load. 30 grains (1.94 gr) it's also dangerous: with that amount of powder you have to launch 38-40 gr which will provide high pressure magnum style. an old batch i tested more than a decade ago (2003) when the powder was still very slow burning returned this from the proof house: Primer: Fiocchi 615 Powder: 1.90 grams Lead: 40 grams Wad: Gualandi SG Star Crimp @ 58 mm V1: 405 mt/s Pressure: 806 bar In 20 ga you can try Primer: Fiocchi 615 Powder: 1.35 grams Lead: 28 grams Wad: Z2M Star Crimp @ 58 mm V1: 405 mt/s Pressure: 702 bar However, not having proofed these load with current batches -which appear to be faster burning- I would still recommend proofing it if possible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted March 31, 2016 Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 (edited) hope that's 20 ga you're talking to? In 12 gauge isn't advisable to load 28g with vectan A0, for all i know even A1 won't like the light load. 30 grains (1.94 gr) it's also dangerous: with that amount of powder you have to launch 38-40 gr which will provide high pressure magnum style. an old batch i tested more than a decade ago (2003) when the powder was still very slow burning returned this from the proof house: Primer: Fiocchi 615 Powder: 1.90 grams Lead: 40 grams Wad: Gualandi SG Star Crimp @ 58 mm V1: 405 mt/s Pressure: 806 bar In 20 ga you can try Primer: Fiocchi 615 Powder: 1.35 grams Lead: 28 grams Wad: Z2M Star Crimp @ 58 mm V1: 405 mt/s Pressure: 702 bar However, not having proofed these load with current batches -which appear to be faster burning- I would still recommend proofing it if possible I proofed the second recipe but it failed. Best reduced to 27grams of lead and 20 grains of A0. The wad is a Z19. I shot 93 pigeons with this load last weekend, great shell. Edited March 31, 2016 by sitsinhedges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnytheboy Posted March 31, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 12g guys, with 28g of steel not lead, sorry if I didn't explain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted April 1, 2016 Report Share Posted April 1, 2016 yes you can shoot 28gram with A0, you can even shoot 32gram with A0 in 12gauge. i proofed many 24g steel recipes with A0, A1 and im about to do AS in the autumn. i proofed a 29grain A0 recipe with 24grams of shot, its fast. its published around here, i proofed A1 3 times with a either 3", 70mm or economy version. with 24-25 grams of steel shot. nb, real modern versions of this powder too. not old stuff. if you want my opinion, i would try and consider 32g loads and either 3" or manybe new 2.75" + rto, there is a ton of A0 data about, and 32g of 3# at 1400fps is still a dcecent duckload, any day of the week. even 1300fps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Continental Shooter Posted April 1, 2016 Report Share Posted April 1, 2016 I proofed the second recipe but it failed. Best reduced to 27grams of lead and 20 grains of A0. The wad is a Z19. I shot 93 pigeons with this load last weekend, great shell. see yours must be a more recent batch with an even faster burning rate ... as i said, beware of Vectan powders they're very inconsistent from batch to batch. It used to be a great slow burning powder which would load up to 34 grams, 35 even .... and now it fails with 28 ... In my view, they're trying to kill heavy loads reloading, which is were savings are made, to push us pot of reloading... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Continental Shooter Posted April 1, 2016 Report Share Posted April 1, 2016 12g guys, with 28g of steel not lead, sorry if I didn't explain the steel expert has spoken already ... just go with what Cooks said and you'll be just fine! The only thing i can say is that since Vectan is very unstable, i'd just run a pattern/chrony (both better) test to check the batch is similar to avoid throwing the shell off balance! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnytheboy Posted April 1, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 1, 2016 The reason is I have loads of 1oz wads! And I really like a 1oz duck load on our wee ponds! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAB1954 Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 Interesting thread and it caught my attention with claims of 12 gauge steel 11/8 oz load doing 1400fps. Could someone point me in the direction of a 1 oz load that hopefully does 1400fps+. Is it on the Clay & Game data sheet? If A0 works then I could make my stock of Steel last longer. Thanks as always Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 Interesting thread and it caught my attention with claims of 12 gauge steel 11/8 oz load doing 1400fps. Could someone point me in the direction of a 1 oz load that hopefully does 1400fps+. Is it on the Clay & Game data sheet? If A0 works then I could make my stock of Steel last longer. Thanks as always 1400fps at 2.5m or MV? Big difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAB1954 Posted April 3, 2016 Report Share Posted April 3, 2016 1400fps at 2.5m or MV? Big difference. Good point, I will clarify the best I can. I do not send loads to proof house for testing, I live far to far away for it to be cost effective, thus I take little interest in test procedures CIP or SAMMI. I reload to published data, mainly American thus SAMMI standards, and pattern test to fine what works in my guns. I do not measure velocity on my cartridges. If the pattern test looks good I normally fine performance in the field is ok. I consider that with steel velocity is key and basically the more the better as long as the pattern holds together. With steel loads I use modern steel proof shotgun and use IC to half chokes. I have a 12 gauge 23/4 cartridge steel load that I quite like made up as follows Fiocchi case [my preferred choice] Steel powder, MG42 wad, 1oz steel shot size 2, 3 or 4. Claimed performance 1430fps/9500psi. This thread seemed to suggest data was available for Vectan AO powder to produce a similar load to above in either a 23/4 or 3 inch case. A basic search on web produced nil. While there appears to be little cost difference AO is available thus I could make my Steel powder that I have last longer. Thanks for reply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK fowler Posted April 3, 2016 Report Share Posted April 3, 2016 this is a load I had tested a few years back with AO powder it just failed on pressure and I use it at a grain less so you load this at your own risk as lots of AO can be quite different in burn rates 3" ched case OF NS686 primer 31grains AO powder ranger plus wad (BP) 34 grams steel shot 6 point crimp+ gaep finish 1450fps @2.5mtrs 1068bar mean pressure hope this is of some use cheers UK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAB1954 Posted April 3, 2016 Report Share Posted April 3, 2016 Thanks for reply UK. I have Ranger + wads but not the NS686 primer. Will have a look on C&G, if they have them I could get primers and powder from them at the Scottish Game Fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK fowler Posted April 3, 2016 Report Share Posted April 3, 2016 it is a odd primer choice I know I just happen to have them so I used them there not as hot as a CX2000 so im told, a friend loaded the above load with cx2000 and 29 grains and it shot fine but it was never rechecked with the primer switch so again at your own risk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted April 3, 2016 Report Share Posted April 3, 2016 Personally I would not publish duff data. But I would change the text and ****** mark it as do not use. It's me being petty but, some Muppet is going to reload it. Now that gives me a real start on the 6mm I always intended to reloads. I thank you for the data. I do consider #3 minimum for duck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAB1954 Posted April 8, 2016 Report Share Posted April 8, 2016 (edited) Not much data out there then, the one above plus one load on a C&G data sheet for 28g going 1394fps/10,000psi. If I was closer to proof house I would test that one with 26g should put it over 1400fps at safe pressure...but that's guessing. For now I will keep patterning proven Longshot loads. Edited April 8, 2016 by MAB1954 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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