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[UKPoacher]

Maybe in very traditional households but I would say less likely these days. Having many friends in Athens and spending much time there I see little evidence in the clubs and bars.

 

Or who have never worked. The same rights for all is what we would expect in another country. If the UK chooses to be so generous and this attracts mass migration then the issue is our generosity rather than the migration.

Surely the issue is the higher levels of employment in the UK attracting migrants? This migration keeps our wage rates down makes our products more competitive and creates more jobs. A dangerous circle of destruction for the migrant issue.

THe UK needs to look at its welfare state yes but it does not need to be out of the EU to do this.

I don't think that you get it.

 

The EU impose restrictions on how the UK Government govern. The UK has to allow all EU citizens the same rights as UK citizens under EU law. That is not negotiable. So if a Pole, Hungarian or Romanian cannot find work in their own country they can hop on a plane and be claiming unemployment benefit in the UK by the end of the month and also claim child allowance for the family left behind. The only way the UK can stop this is by leaving the EU.

[ElvisThePelvis]

I think there is probably more truth and rationalised thought on this site than in the media reports or either sides propaganda, having not been able to make my mind up for a few months, I have reached a conclusion... I'm voting out!

 

This has surprised me in the end, but leaving cannot be worse than staying and joining the EU superstate in full, the is financial uncertainty in both options under the longer term and we need to do something to regain our sovereignty. I'm not sure it would be a huge loss if certain mega corporations left as a result, and out language and time zone cement much of our international trade. I think the barriers to me making this decision were uncertainty and the fact that all 'out' campaigners are people I cannot stand. We can't allow ourselves to be flooded by unskilled economic migrants, any spare capacity should be used for genuine asylum seekers.

[Rewulf]

 

This is the first I hear of such a thing. Women in Italy, Spain, Greece, Malta etc are quite liberated. I suspect you have some in depth knowledge which I would be very interested to partake in. Please, share.

 

Really ?

You have never heard of women being repressed in any European country?

And no ,I am not going to name any,it would be unfair and possibly against site rules,I mentioned groups,and no, Im not going to name them either for the same reason.

 

No country is going to admit to treating their women badly,even if they obviously do,especially an EU country where we all have to follow a certain standard

[Psyxologos]

 

Really ?

You have never heard of women being repressed in any European country?

And no ,I am not going to name any,it would be unfair and possibly against site rules,I mentioned groups,and no, Im not going to name them either for the same reason.

 

No country is going to admit to treating their women badly,even if they obviously do,especially an EU country where we all have to follow a certain standard

 

Yes, really. I am genuinely interested. Of course there are oppressed women all over the world, and certainly too many in Europe. I doubt this oppression is institutionalised though, or embedded in any European people's psyche. This is what intrigues me. Perhaps you can send me a PM about it, I would be grateful. I am very very interested to know which European countries you have inside expert knowledge that women are oppressed. Please share, even if you do so in a PM. Thanks.

[Rewulf]

http://www.ce-review.org/00/39/dumitrica39.html

 

https://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/press-releases/your-sex-matters-report-finds-widespread-gender-inequality-central-and-eastern-europe

 

http://www.jobmonkey.com/europe/to_women/

 

And a bit of light reading, http://www.zeitschrift-fuer-familienforschung.de/pdf/2010-3-fodor.pdf

 

http://www.thecrimson.com/article/1991/1/11/east-european-sexism-pbabre-you-a/

 

I have put some material here from various sources,but there is plenty more if you are willing to plough through it.

I could tell you that due to my work,I come into contact with a lot of Eastern Europeans ,from Latvia to Kosovo.

As I said,without naming specific countries,or specific ethnic groups,the differences in the way they perceive women are quite distinct.

I have been told that British women 'ask for it ' because they are out without a male relative at night.

I have been told that women who wear short skirts,tight trousers,or revealing tops are no better than prostitutes and should be treated accordingly.

Please dont tell me you have never heard of such things.

If I challenge them on these matters,along the lines of 'this is how things are in the UK,you need to respect our culture and customs' the usual reply is 'that is why your country is so messed up'

At which point I ask them why they are here?

Because your country,and your women,are easy they say (usually laughing)

[Psyxologos]

http://www.ce-review.org/00/39/dumitrica39.html

 

https://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/press-releases/your-sex-matters-report-finds-widespread-gender-inequality-central-and-eastern-europe

 

http://www.jobmonkey.com/europe/to_women/

 

And a bit of light reading, http://www.zeitschrift-fuer-familienforschung.de/pdf/2010-3-fodor.pdf

 

http://www.thecrimson.com/article/1991/1/11/east-european-sexism-pbabre-you-a/

 

I have put some material here from various sources,but there is plenty more if you are willing to plough through it.

I could tell you that due to my work,I come into contact with a lot of Eastern Europeans ,from Latvia to Kosovo.

As I said,without naming specific countries,or specific ethnic groups,the differences in the way they perceive women are quite distinct.

I have been told that British women 'ask for it ' because they are out without a male relative at night.

I have been told that women who wear short skirts,tight trousers,or revealing tops are no better than prostitutes and should be treated accordingly.

Please dont tell me you have never heard of such things.

If I challenge them on these matters,along the lines of 'this is how things are in the UK,you need to respect our culture and customs' the usual reply is 'that is why your country is so messed up'

At which point I ask them why they are here?

Because your country,and your women,are easy they say (usually laughing)

 

Thank you very much for the information. As I said I am very interested in the issue and I will read it with great gusto.

[rodp]

Psyxologos, If this behaviour interests you, or you doubt it, why not spend a couple of weeks in an inner city environment. A bit of time in the back streets of Birmingham or a town such as Lye would perhaps convince you that such behaviour is common place, along with a lot of other unsavoury behaviour. I don't mean in a travel lodge, but in the sort of digs immigrant workers would use.

Genuine suggestion, not winding you up.

[Vince Green]

http://www.ce-review.org/00/39/dumitrica39.html

 

https://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/press-releases/your-sex-matters-report-finds-widespread-gender-inequality-central-and-eastern-europe

 

http://www.jobmonkey.com/europe/to_women/

 

And a bit of light reading, http://www.zeitschrift-fuer-familienforschung.de/pdf/2010-3-fodor.pdf

 

http://www.thecrimson.com/article/1991/1/11/east-european-sexism-pbabre-you-a/

 

I have put some material here from various sources,but there is plenty more if you are willing to plough through it.

I could tell you that due to my work,I come into contact with a lot of Eastern Europeans ,from Latvia to Kosovo.

As I said,without naming specific countries,or specific ethnic groups,the differences in the way they perceive women are quite distinct.

I have been told that British women 'ask for it ' because they are out without a male relative at night.

I have been told that women who wear short skirts,tight trousers,or revealing tops are no better than prostitutes and should be treated accordingly.

Please dont tell me you have never heard of such things.

If I challenge them on these matters,along the lines of 'this is how things are in the UK,you need to respect our culture and customs' the usual reply is 'that is why your country is so messed up'

At which point I ask them why they are here?

Because your country,and your women,are easy they say (usually laughing)

As I said in a previous post I worked in Poland for a while some years back and one of the great charms was the time warp. You went back several decades as soon as you got off the plane. In Warsaw, where I worked, they looked down on Polish people from the rural regions as 'country boys' in much the same way as they looked down on countries around them. They probably joke about Lithuanians marrying their sisters or bonking goats

 

We used to look down on the Irish as thick Micks, Northern accents taboo on the BBC etc.

 

 

The thing is, Its more complicated than you could ever imagine it could be. Attitudes are deep seated and attitudes to women right up there with the very worst.

 

I used to work with two Greek brothers, although both married to beautiful Greek wives they used to put it about all the time with anything they could get their leg over. They didn't care, they treated their 'girlfriends' like carp because they were just English slags and not worth a second thought. There is a Greek word, it means 'knob meat' and that's what they called them.

 

The Spanish call British girls 'Tontas' look it up