gallant Posted May 9, 2016 Report Share Posted May 9, 2016 hi firearms cert up for renewal end of july they want form sent in now going to be a long job,now if im right you can send a copy of your cert in,also you don't need a bank manager dr etc for reffere bit better now apart from wait cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saddler Posted May 9, 2016 Report Share Posted May 9, 2016 Never sent original certificates in. Needed them. If they are that bothered supply scans/photocopies instead. Mine just done. Official renewal reminder arrived the day after they'd received all my documents. They'd advised 8 weeks. They took 12! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 I've been told by two forces that because of the delays they are going to send out reminders 12 weeks in advance of expiry and if the forms aren't back in by 8 weeks before expiry, they aren't going to issue a s7 and that you are going to have to lodge any weapons and expanding with an rfd at your cost pending when they get around to issuing certs at their convenience. I don't know the legality of them doing this but if they do, do this it will take a bit of fighting to sort it out. It could all be a load of threats but we'll see in due course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 Don't send your certificate in. And, as you said, you don't need a referee to be a doctor etc, just someone who knows you and is of good character. I had my manager from work, and a friend who owns his own business as referees. Neither of them were contacted by the police though. Get your renewal forms in asap. Mine were in least 3 months before my certificate expired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 I've been told by two forces that because of the delays they are going to send out reminders 12 weeks in advance of expiry and if the forms aren't back in by 8 weeks before expiry, they aren't going to issue a s7 and that you are going to have to lodge any weapons and expanding with an rfd at your cost pending when they get around to issuing certs at their convenience. I don't know the legality of them doing this but if they do, do this it will take a bit of fighting to sort it out. It could all be a load of threats but we'll see in due course. Why the problem with a section 7 certificate? The only thing i can think of is the way one of these reflects on the statistics within their organisation? Send an email to their head of firearms being polite but insistent? If you do get one don't get caught out over the ammunition condition at your cost? Don't you have a shooting organisation to back you up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 Why the problem with a section 7 certificate? The only thing i can think of is the way one of these reflects on the statistics within their organisation? Send an email to their head of firearms being polite but insistent? If you do get one don't get caught out over the ammunition condition at your cost? Don't you have a shooting organisation to back you up? Just to clarify this situation. This situation is a department proposal which may or maybe not implemented. I have my certs sorted and so does the Son in law. Mine took over 8 months and Son in laws took about 3. We were dealing with two different forces. Both forces stated that they were going to send out application forms and that the forms would have to be in at least 8 week's before expiry. ECT ECT. Have a read back through previous thread of mine>>> hands up if you've been waiting more than six months. As for expecting any meaningful help from your org forget it. They have no influence with the departments what so ever. If they did this situation wouldn't exist. When have you ever seen a post on here from any org as to what they are doing about it other than the mention of odd meaningless talks. My spaniel and granny have got about the same influence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 Regarding influence from a shooting organisation, I'm a member of BASC, and a few years ago, after owning a .243 calibre for deer stalking, I applied for a .308. I was told that I would have to be mentored, despite me having the .243 for 6 years. I complained to the police, but they refused to budge. One phone call to the Firearms team at BASC, and they contacted the police on my behalf. The next day, the police informed me that I could have a .308 and the mentoring condition would be removed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 (edited) Hi Steve. Rules are rules and if you were in contravention of a rule that said that you weren't allowed that cal for some genuine reason then nothing would be able to be done about it, but if it is a case of make it up as you go along which it usually is then if you really meant business then you would get a solicitor in on the act. the department will back down because they will get ruled out and it will cost them money that they would have to account for the actions on a non viable case. As we all know the 243 and 308 are both powerful rounds and if you have used one then there is no reason not to use the other. My reasoning is that although in your case the department backed down, the department would still use that ploy in other cases. The org didn't get the department or any other forces department to stop coming out with a load of made up nonsense as it pleased them. Son in laws ticket was issued on the proviso that if he goes out stalking with his 243 or 308 then I have to accompany him. I was asked if I would oversee him and supervise him. I queried the feo about this and that this was mentoring by another name and he said to me that it was just sensible to get a bit of guidance for a few stalks. That's fair enough and sensible so I agreed and on this they issued the ticket. when the ticket came through there was no mention of a few stalks it was in effect for the life of the cert. S.I. Law got on to the head of his dept and spoke about this and the answer was >> well if you keep a diary of your stalks >> perhaps 20 > 30 and then advise us we will relax this condition. Son in law advised the person that no normal stalker shoots that amount of deer in a five year. unless you are selling the deer on, the most you might take is 3 or 4 a year. You would be living on nothing but deer meat otherwise. the person said yes I take your point. "well just be careful". What the hell does that mean? Son in law left it at that because he hasn't got the tools yet and he can use them on the clubs range days when he does get them and if and when he gets into deer mode I can go with him and document this so it is no great problem but what a load of nonsense that the orgs should be tackling and making it so that the departments all sing from the same rules. this is why I say that they have no influence. if they did have then situations like this and the delay of certs wouldn't be happening and members like I was, don't get told to " dont rock the boat and accept what the department say" rubbish. Edited May 10, 2016 by fortune Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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