johnnytheboy Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 Don't tell them! We might get some good steel here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted October 13, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 6.5x55se the only thing that has changed is my gun from a 31/2" Beretta to a 3" Benelli. The carts are the same as I used in 3" found I just wasn't using and didn't need 31/2" carts. If it was just myself I'd think it was me to blame but others have had the same, you can here all the pellet strikes and think yep that's mine for the table and nope it just goes on like nothing happened. Another goose in same skein will fold no problem,don't think it's pattern as I can hear lots of strikes on the feathers. This is why I'd like to try some BB so when the opertunities do come and they have been called in to a good shootable distance the cart does its job. Out of curiosity I will try the gamebore I have next time just to rule out any damp in the Eley lightnings. Thanks for all the advice so far lads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6.5x55SE Posted October 13, 2016 Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 Figgy is there any chance the Lighting 1's was old stock and the ones you are now having problems with are New after the recall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted October 13, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 No as i bought them just after the recall took ages to come due to the change bought a slab of 36g 1 & a slab of 36g 3 also had a load of Gamebore 3" in and still have around sixty of them left. Sold the £1/2" to friend as i wasnt using them,find the recoil pushes my shot high over the top more times than enough. Most of my shots are with 32g 3 or 4 shot carts at duck and teal,later when the ducks get a bit shy and wont call in i go to the 36g 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnytheboy Posted October 13, 2016 Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 The benelli has a tighter bore than the beretta, Could it be bringing down muzzle speed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnytheboy Posted October 13, 2016 Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 Figgy, hull solway steel 1s are listed as 4mm where as RC steel 1s are listed as 3.81mm Could this be an avenue to explore? http://www.hullcartridge.co.uk/solwaysteelmag.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted October 14, 2016 Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 even some shell manufacturers get it wrong in the states... i`ve heard that some factory steel loads are blowing guns up. the evidence was the remaining shells sent to a testing lab and the results are very bad. in one instance a shotgun was replaced by the manufacturer... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONY R Posted October 14, 2016 Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 I am taking it as you have acctualy patterned these 1s in your Benelli 3 inch figgy? Stock benelli tubes are not that special have you tried choking them down run them through the factory full untill you get the carlsens? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted October 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 (edited) I wouldn't put 1's through the full choke in case it stretches and i cant get it out,different with a extended with something to get a grip of, to be honest the patterns are better through 1/4 rather than the 1/2 choke. Hope my Carlsons turn up soon. Edited October 14, 2016 by figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONY R Posted October 14, 2016 Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 I wouldn't put 1's through the full choke in case it stretches and i cant get it out,different with a extended with something to get a grip of, to be honest the patterns are better through 1/4 rather than the 1/2 choke. Hope my Carlsons turn up soon. What you say here is not at all unusual with steel, and if velocitys are typical factory speeds its even more common, but add a few more FPs into the equasion things can look startlingly different. Slightly more choke can as you have found work against you sometimes, but running a lot of choke can often sharpen up patterns nicely. Just trying to think of ways to sort things out with these 1s thats all, i think your pretty much done untill your Chokes show up, im thinking you will see different performance from those 1s once you get them in your benelli . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted October 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 I am thinking much the same Tony as the difference with a Kicks to the factory chokes was geat. Will pattern bot the mid and long range with the 1's and 3's and see just how they perform. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essox022 Posted October 14, 2016 Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 I wasn't being funny, Tony. I just meant that people who frequent the shore on a regular basis can benefit from reloading, not least if you can't get hold of the shot size you're after. Folk who maybe do half a dozen flights a season would probably be ok with factory offerings. On my bench I have steel in sizes T, BBB, BB, 1,2,3,4 and 5. I have hevi shot in size B (supposedly), heavyweight 13 in size 2, and heavyweight 18 in size 7.5. That lot can be worked into numerous different cartridge types to suit what I want. I would agree if loading 1g and may be 3.5 12g but i dont think you can load 3" steel anywhere near the price of factory loads and using bb in a 3" may actualy reduce your effective range rather than increas it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essox022 Posted October 14, 2016 Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 I would agree if loading 10g and may be 3.5 12g but i dont think you can load 3" steel anywhere near the price of factory loads and using bb in a 3" may actualy reduce your effective range rather than increas it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONY R Posted October 14, 2016 Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 I would agree if loading 1g and may be 3.5 12g but i dont think you can load 3" steel anywhere near the price of factory loads and using bb in a 3" may actualy reduce your effective range rather than increas it You could load a 3 inch 36 gram BB load with a hotter primer Better wad and 200fps faster than any of the lame offerings from the british cartridge manufacturers and still be the same price as the NSI steel at 290 for ten and thats using brand new cases, once you load them again your in profit, even taking into accout losses through using a semi auto or pump etc, your saving money. and your getting performance you will pay double and more to get from american ammo that is not available here anyway. And thats 12 bore once your into tens or start buying from abroad your components you are into significant savings, cartridge firms are greedy with steel, its a low volume production, and its not hard to load the kind of quantity you need to keep going for wildfowling, and its not even like its expensive to set up to produce. A lee load all a set of perfect scales to keep you safe and ten mins on the internet with a credit card will have anyone producing better ammo than they can buy from a store in this country. and at a saving. I dare say if you bought from abroad took full advantage of the shiping discounts you could get a Press in with your budget and scales and still be roughly the same as NSIs at 290 for ten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted October 14, 2016 Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 Please give me a price breakdown for your steel 3" loads, Tony. Factory loads at 29p each is good value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONY R Posted October 14, 2016 Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 Please give me a price breakdown for your steel 3" loads, Tony. Factory loads at 29p each is good value. Rio hull complete with Rio g 1000 primer 9 p Powder 10.5p wad 3p shot 7.5p If you load this round to 1350 FPs instead of 1500 you get it down to 29 p or you can load a similar A steel load with more velocity for 34 p a shot, once you load a second time based on finding 25% of the hulls you are around 27 27.5 p a shot each so whichever way you look at it if you want to load your own ammo its cheaper powder is still killing reloading and ammo firms know this. I am no way decrying the NSI ammo in any way, its worth buying, but its cheap but you can load as cheap and near enough as cheap at higher velocity if you want to, kept to true BB 4.57 mm too. Ok i have shopped about to acheve this but all in the uk, and i could still get 150 plus fps over any uk factory 1.25 ozad and only be a penny or two a shot more if i just went to claygame as a one stop shop. If you start shoping abroad you can trim off conciderably more money with a little thought and with bulk buying in a group purchase it gets even more ecconomical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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