bluesj Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 Yes please, did he stay about how they need sectioning off for different tubs Same as a black powder box Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savhmr Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 Wooden 18mm ply box that's lockable. Basc said this That is for black powder covered by explosives legislation. Where in law does it state that smokeless propellants must be kept in a wooden box? It may be guidance, but I can't find mention of it in firearms legislation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 That is for black powder covered by explosives legislation. Where in law does it state that smokeless propellants must be kept in a wooden box? It may be guidance, but I can't find mention of it in firearms legislation. Black powder and smokeless powder too now . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 That is for black powder covered by explosives legislation. Where in law does it state that smokeless propellants must be kept in a wooden box? It may be guidance, but I can't find mention of it in firearms legislation. Its not in firearms legislation, its hse explosives regulations ER2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savhmr Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 Black powder and smokeless powder too now . Its not in firearms legislation, its hse explosives regulations ER2014 Thanks for the clarification chaps! That one crept up quietly...I wonder how many people are aware? I keep mine in a ply box anyway, but hadn't seen the revised ER2014 Regulations Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 Thanks for the clarification chaps! That one crept up quietly...I wonder how many people are aware? I keep mine in a ply box anyway, but hadn't seen the revised ER2014 Regulations I didn't know so I rang basc yesterday and was informed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 I've a few boxes to make now . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savhmr Posted March 31, 2017 Report Share Posted March 31, 2017 Ok, having burnt the midnight oil and actually read the regulations, there is NO requirement to store smokeless powders in a box, except where you may also be storing black powders. If you only store smokeless, then Part 2 of Schedule 2 classifies smokeless as not having to be licenced, therefore falling outside of the licencing requirements. Separation for storage doesn't come in unless 30Kg or more are stored, and personal transport or making up of rounds limits 2Kg to be used at any one time (ie you cannot legally transport more than 2Kg). the only other thing open to interpretation is storage to prevent unauthorised access. Out of site in a locked building arguably satisfied that, so where does it stipulate the requirement for storage boxes secured to walls etc? It doesn't. The rest is HSE guidance aimed more at commercial storage and use, not the home loader and that is just guidance, not a legal requirement. As mentioned previously, I happen to keep mine in a wooden box, but was intrigued as to when the Regulations may have changed in respect of home storage and use. It appears that they haven't changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted March 31, 2017 Report Share Posted March 31, 2017 Here you go Page 100 http://www.hse.gov.uk/pUbns/priced/l150.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted March 31, 2017 Report Share Posted March 31, 2017 I'm OK. My powders stored on a wooden shelf behind a wooden door that's locked. Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted March 31, 2017 Report Share Posted March 31, 2017 I'm OK. My powders stored on a wooden shelf behind a wooden door that's locked. Lol lol ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savhmr Posted March 31, 2017 Report Share Posted March 31, 2017 (edited) Here you go Page 100 http://www.hse.gov.uk/pUbns/priced/l150.pdf That is guidance, not Law. The requirements under law are found here: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2014/1638/contents/made Just because the HSE publishes guidance for the Regulations, does not supercede an individual's responsibilities under the Regulations. The purpose of the HSE "guidance" is to ensure that individuals affected by the provisions of the 2014 Regulations, including private individuals storing small quantities of powder at home, will meet the requirements by complying with the guidance. That is not to say that individuals not complying with the guidance are in breach of the law and committing any offence. Part 2 of the Regulations provides an exemption to shooters from complying with specific licence requirements or needing a licence where no more than 5 Kgs of shooters powder is kept at home (Authorisation to Store): http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2014/1638/regulation/7/made Part 9 of the Regulations deals with separation distances, but this does NOT apply where shooters hold less than 30Kg off licence of shooters powders. Part 10 deals with unauthorised access. This specifically states that appropriate measures should be taken in respect of preventing unauthorised access, and NOT "all practicable steps" (ie if it can be done, it should be done). Essentially, they should be out of site within a locked building (the house) in a place where only you have access. No more, no less. It does not mention locked boxes chained to walls or any other such provision. So, It would appear that it isn't a legal requirement at all and you cannot be prosecuted for not storing in an HSE defined box. Nor can your renewal be refused providing that you can demonstrate that you comply with the relevant sections of the regulations (no more than 5 Kg stored out of site in your house). I do keep mine in a box only because I've already made one as a handy means of storage, but strictly speaking, there is no law requiring anyone to do so. Its just more misinformation. Edited March 31, 2017 by Savhmr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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