deadeye Posted June 18, 2007 Report Share Posted June 18, 2007 i am close to buying a cz452 american with standard barrel in .17hmr. i want to shoot paper out to about 100 yards and also shoot rabbit, squirrel, and crows etc.. i am figuring on installing a 3X9X40 scope on it. what do you think? do you think it is a mistake not getting the heavy barrel and beefing up on the scope? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tulkyuk Posted June 18, 2007 Report Share Posted June 18, 2007 Heavy barrel wont make any differance - but i would get a better scope - at least up tp 16 mag , ideal scope would be an MTC Viper 6-24x56mm, A .17HMr will shoot long range (200yrd bunnies are well within reach) and a 3-9x40mm just aint gonna do it for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted June 18, 2007 Report Share Posted June 18, 2007 I'd say 200yrd bunnies were pushing it a bit rather than "well within reach". If you are up to it, it can deal with things way past the capability of a 9x scope. There has been a lot of research done on barrel length and the reason many people are opting for the shorter is it's not making that much difference. 20" to 16" looses you like 100fps, but amazingly people seem to have found although the shorter barrel means a slightly slower round, it is more consistent. I think the figures I have seen sad 100fps variation over 20 shots with 20" barrel and <50fps variation, same 20 shots same ammo with 16" The "varmint" barrel is thicker and is meant to be able to vary less with repeated quick shooting (will take more to overheat) but in practice I think its an aesthetic / weight and feel thing. I prefer the look of the varmint and I like the extra weight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oly Posted June 18, 2007 Report Share Posted June 18, 2007 If it was me I would go for a heavy barrel and a more powerful scope...and an Anschutz! But apart from the scope everything else is simply personal preference to be honest mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted June 18, 2007 Report Share Posted June 18, 2007 Heavy barrel wont make any differance - but i would get a better scope - at least up tp 16 mag , ideal scope would be an MTC Viper 6-24x56mm, A .17HMr will shoot long range (200yrd bunnies are well within reach) and a 3-9x40mm just aint gonna do it for you. 200 hundred yard bunnie's no problem with the above scope on a still day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazza Posted June 18, 2007 Report Share Posted June 18, 2007 If it was me I would go for a heavy barrel and a more powerful scope...and an Anschutz! But apart from the scope everything else is simply personal preference to be honest mate. why Anschutz? if CZ's are so **** why do so many people on here have them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted June 18, 2007 Report Share Posted June 18, 2007 Snobbery Same reason people have Audi's when a Skoda does the same job. Oh, wait a minute... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tulkyuk Posted June 18, 2007 Report Share Posted June 18, 2007 I'd say 200yrd bunnies were pushing it a bit rather than "well within reach". you need more practise with that hmr then Pin myself & Magman were shooting 150yrd bunnies with a .22rf on saturday morning and i'm a lot more confident with my HMR than the .22, its all about steady, safe shots - i have shot bunnies at 250 yrds from a bipod on a nice sunny calm day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted June 18, 2007 Report Share Posted June 18, 2007 I'd say 200yrd bunnies were pushing it a bit rather than "well within reach". you need more practise with that hmr then Pin :o :o myself & Magman were shooting 150yrd bunnies with a .22rf on saturday morning and i'm a lot more confident with my HMR than the .22, its all about steady, safe shots - i have shot bunnies at 250 yrds from a bipod on a nice sunny calm day. must do it again soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oly Posted June 18, 2007 Report Share Posted June 18, 2007 If it was me I would go for a heavy barrel and a more powerful scope...and an Anschutz! But apart from the scope everything else is simply personal preference to be honest mate. why Anschutz? if CZ's are so **** why do so many people on here have them? Dazza, I didn't say that What I did say was "But apart from the scope everything else is simply personal preference to be honest mate." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazza Posted June 18, 2007 Report Share Posted June 18, 2007 I wasn't trying to be funny Oly but I would be interested to know the differences Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oly Posted June 18, 2007 Report Share Posted June 18, 2007 I wasn't trying to be funny Oly but I would be interested to know the differences Fair enough...it's totally personal preference though...for me it's quality and accuracy, and I feel that the extra money for an Anschutz is worth it...but many on here (who I also respect can have their own opinons) prefer CZ. Trying to keep my head down on this one...again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted June 18, 2007 Report Share Posted June 18, 2007 I'd say 200yrd bunnies were pushing it a bit rather than "well within reach". you need more practise with that hmr then Pin myself & Magman were shooting 150yrd bunnies with a .22rf on saturday morning and i'm a lot more confident with my HMR than the .22, its all about steady, safe shots - i have shot bunnies at 250 yrds from a bipod on a nice sunny calm day. I'm happy you are confident in your skills to take those shots on, not that I don't believe you but I'd love to see it done! More than happy to keep it around the 150 mark until I learn more about it and get confident I know how it behaves in the wind etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted June 18, 2007 Report Share Posted June 18, 2007 I wasn't trying to be funny Oly but I would be interested to know the differences Fair enough...it's totally personal preference though...for me it's quality and accuracy, and I feel that the extra money for an Anschutz is worth it...but many on here (who I also respect can have their own opinons) prefer CZ. Trying to keep my head down on this one...again! :o :yp: :o said nowt mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oly Posted June 18, 2007 Report Share Posted June 18, 2007 said nowt mate 'Nuff' said! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted June 18, 2007 Report Share Posted June 18, 2007 I'd say 200yrd bunnies were pushing it a bit rather than "well within reach". you need more practise with that hmr then Pin myself & Magman were shooting 150yrd bunnies with a .22rf on saturday morning and i'm a lot more confident with my HMR than the .22, its all about steady, safe shots - i have shot bunnies at 250 yrds from a bipod on a nice sunny calm day. I'm happy you are confident in your skills to take those shots on, not that I don't believe you but I'd love to see it done! More than happy to keep it around the 150 mark until I learn more about it and get confident I know how it behaves in the wind etc. pin ive seen it and used the range finder as well mate good man is paul and a bloody good shot too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted June 18, 2007 Report Share Posted June 18, 2007 I don't doubt it, at one time I probably was good enough but I need more practice. My best (same rangefinder, I had one of those off Paul!) 167yds. Didn't for one second intend to suggest he can't do it, I am sure he can! Just would like to see it, purely to see how its done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted June 19, 2007 Report Share Posted June 19, 2007 so you're up to 167 yard shots and you've had it about a fortnight won't be long before you're really stretching it :unsure: I've made 250 yard shots on still days and the key is knowing what range you are shooting at and having a decent set up as the gun has no difficulty killing at that range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dusk2dawn Posted June 19, 2007 Report Share Posted June 19, 2007 i am close to buying a cz452 american with standard barrel in .17hmr. i want to shoot paper out to about 100 yards and also shoot rabbit, squirrel, and crows etc.. i am figuring on installing a 3X9X40 scope on it. what do you think? do you think it is a mistake not getting the heavy barrel and beefing up on the scope? Have you looked at the 453? I am in same position as you and cant make up my mind if extra cost is worth it? Any comments appreciated. :unsure: D2D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted June 19, 2007 Report Share Posted June 19, 2007 I did, for what its worth, it has an adjustable set trigger on there as the only difference. From what I understand the set trigger has a lighter pull which you can configure, activate by pushing the trigger forward before firing. Otherwise it functions as normal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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