Mark M Posted June 19, 2007 Report Share Posted June 19, 2007 Can a gas ram be fitted to a BSA Lightning XL Tactical .22 rifle? If it can would it reduce the noise and lessen the recoil, Would it also give the gun more power bearing in mind the gun is doing 11.4-11.6 ftps now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naddan28 Posted June 19, 2007 Report Share Posted June 19, 2007 Can a gas ram be fitted to a BSA Lightning XL Tactical .22 rifle? If it can would it reduce the noise and lessen the recoil, Would it also give the gun more power bearing in mind the gun is doing 11.4-11.6 ftps now More power, not sure maybe an extra .2 ftlb but obviously nothing over 12ftlbs. Less noise and recoil, though are a definate yes and also the rams I believe are avaliable for the xl, check blacpool airguns. Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSA Shaun Posted June 19, 2007 Report Share Posted June 19, 2007 Really wouldn't bother. They are not that loud to begin with. :unsure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark M Posted June 19, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2007 Can a gas ram be fitted to a BSA Lightning XL Tactical .22 rifle? If it can would it reduce the noise and lessen the recoil, Would it also give the gun more power bearing in mind the gun is doing 11.4-11.6 ftps now More power, not sure maybe an extra .2 ft lb but obviously nothing over 12ftlbs. Less noise and recoil, though are a definite yes and also the rams I believe are available for the XL, check blackpool airguns. Dan Just checked and they do them but they are out of stock, Not sure though if i could fit one myself, I don't want to nack the gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark M Posted June 19, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2007 Really wouldn't bother. They are not that loud to begin with. :unsure: It also reduces the need for tuning the gun has often! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatingisbest Posted June 19, 2007 Report Share Posted June 19, 2007 I wouldnt bother getting a gas ram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 If you really want less recoil and noise, save the cash towards a PCP. If the gun puts out figures like that I'd live with the twang until getting a PCP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSA Shaun Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 Also lessen the recoil? Not being funny but they hardly recoil like a 44 magnum, its easily compensated. As pin said tho, if you want recoilless (is that a word? ) and silent, get a PCP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 Don't ask me to explain because I can't but.......... the recoil on a gas ram is "different" to that of a springer. Some say it is harsher although the mechanical action issmoother. Work that one out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark M Posted June 20, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 Don't ask me to explain because I can't but.......... the recoil on a gas ram is "different" to that of a springer. Some say it is harsher although the mechanical action issmoother. Work that one out. So how does it work then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark M Posted June 20, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 Ok guys, You have changed my mind for me i'll stick with the gun as it is, Cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gully Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 I put a gas ram in my lightning recently - its noticably quieter although has more of a crack than a twang now. Harder to cock but slightly more accurate. I fitted it myself so not too expensive. I do prefer it but it didn't make the difference that I thought it would. One thing though, I don't feel like I'm hurting anything leaving the rifle cocked for long periods now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark M Posted June 20, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 I put a gas ram in my lightning recently - its noticably quieter although has more of a crack than a twang now. Harder to cock but slightly more accurate. I fitted it myself so not too expensive. I do prefer it but it didn't make the difference that I thought it would. One thing though, I don't feel like I'm hurting anything leaving the rifle cocked for long periods now. In what way did it not make a difference? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gully Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 I thought it would be more accurate - shorter lock time apparently but if anything its less accurate when being held - more recoil I suppose. If I shoot off a bench I can get better results than when it had a spring but out in the field its not as accurate. Sounds better though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark M Posted June 20, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 Was it worth doing? Most of the lads on here dont seem to think it is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 So how does it work then? I don't know! But................. See Gullys post below. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 I thought it would be more accurate - shorter lock time apparently but if anything its less accurate when being held - more recoil I suppose. If I shoot off a bench I can get better results than when it had a spring but out in the field its not as accurate. Sounds better though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loopy bunny blaster Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 isnt fitting a gas ram yourself also dangerous? (or can be unless you dont know EXACTLY what your doing) Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gully Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 I wish I'd taken some pictures after all the questions I've been asked about it. When you cock a springer you are compressing a spring inside a cylinder in the gun. Air takes the place of the spring and when you fire the gun you release the spring and the air gets pushed out through the barrel, forcing the pellet out with it. A gas ram just replaces the spring so you are compressing air in the ram instead of the spring. The air doesn't like being compressed as it wants to be at the same pressure as the air outside so when given the chance (you pulling the trigger and releasing the sear) the ram expands back to its original size, forcing the air thats in the air rifle cylinder out in the same way as the springer does. The air inside the gas ram doesn't go anywhere, its a sealed unit. Metal has a 'memory', even spring steel so when the spring is compressed (gun cocked) for any length of time you are slightly re-shaping that spring to be weaker and that means that it will lose a very small amount of travel and 'springiness' each time you cock it. Compressed air doesn't have this problem, so the gas ram doesn't mind being cocked for long periods and it doesn't wear out as quickly. The other supposed advantage is that the gas ram gives a more even expansion, forcing the rifle's cylinder towards the pellet more evenly. This is supposed to resuly in better accuracy. The gun's tougher to cock now but much nicer to fire and the recoils all in one direction rather than the gun reverberating after the shot. Loopy Bunny Blaster - yes, it is probably dangerous to take a rifle apart if you don't know what you're doing. Even when uncocked the spring is still compressed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berettaman1 Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 I wish I'd taken some pictures after all the questions I've been asked about it. When you cock a springer you are compressing a spring inside a cylinder in the gun. Air takes the place of the spring and when you fire the gun you release the spring and the air gets pushed out through the barrel, forcing the pellet out with it. A gas ram just replaces the spring so you are compressing air in the ram instead of the spring. The air doesn't like being compressed as it wants to be at the same pressure as the air outside so when given the chance (you pulling the trigger and releasing the sear) the ram expands back to its original size, forcing the air thats in the air rifle cylinder out in the same way as the springer does. The air inside the gas ram doesn't go anywhere, its a sealed unit. Metal has a 'memory', even spring steel so when the spring is compressed (gun cocked) for any length of time you are slightly re-shaping that spring to be weaker and that means that it will lose a very small amount of travel and 'springiness' each time you cock it. Compressed air doesn't have this problem, so the gas ram doesn't mind being cocked for long periods and it doesn't wear out as quickly. The other supposed advantage is that the gas ram gives a more even expansion, forcing the rifle's cylinder towards the pellet more evenly. This is supposed to resuly in better accuracy. The gun's tougher to cock now but much nicer to fire and the recoils all in one direction rather than the gun reverberating after the shot. Loopy Bunny Blaster - yes, it is probably dangerous to take a rifle apart if you don't know what you're doing. Even when uncocked the spring is still compressed. well done bud a factual explanation of the differance between spring and gas ram. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted June 22, 2007 Report Share Posted June 22, 2007 Metal has a 'memory', even spring steel so when the spring is compressed (gun cocked) for any length of time you are slightly re-shaping that spring to be weaker and that means that it will lose a very small amount of travel and 'springiness' each time you cock it. It will take years for a spring to wear out! A springer can remain cocked for ages without any damage at all. What you are describing would take many 1000's of shots before it started to happen, even then it would be a slow decline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gully Posted June 22, 2007 Report Share Posted June 22, 2007 Yeah, it will take a long time but it does happen. I don't know how well the gas rams are sealed either, they must lose gas eventually. Nothing's perfect. I like the gas ram for the reduction in noise and twanginess but I'm not sure its the answer to everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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