Gully Posted June 25, 2007 Report Share Posted June 25, 2007 Can anyone give me the lowdown on charging PCP's I'm waiting for an Air Arms S410 to arrive from ProudDad on here and need to sort out how to fill it. Option 1 - Pump - sounds OK, but for the price (they seem to be around £120) I may as well buy a bottle. Option 2 - Bottle. I'm not sure of the running costs for these so I have a few questions. I've been doing my homework and it seems its best to get a 300 bar tank as opposed to 232bar. There is a dive shop at the end of the road and I'll pop in there later to see if they will fill to 300Bar. Q1. How much do you guys pay for a fill? Q2. how many fills would I expect to get from a 3Litre tank or a 7 litre tank? I don't want to go bigger because of the size and weight - I'm running out of space in my wardrobe. Q3. Are the hose to gun fittings standard? Q4. The dials on the guns apparently aren't too accurate - how do I know when to stop filling? The manual i found online says fill to 190Bar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taff915 Posted June 25, 2007 Report Share Posted June 25, 2007 i rang the local dive shop for a 7ltr 300bar bottle it will cost £4.50 too fill, its for charging a s400 classic and i believe it will give a dozen fills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anim al Posted June 25, 2007 Report Share Posted June 25, 2007 you use the gauge thats on the charging bottle to set to 190. and the hose that was supplied with my tank tops up my stealth and by changing the fill adaptor also charges my s200,,,,quick and easy :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verminer Posted June 25, 2007 Report Share Posted June 25, 2007 if you have a look at the topic in this forum called Air Bottle, (its on page 2 sent by myself) you will see a reply from Pin and there is an attachment which will calculate the amount of fills you get from a bottle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gully Posted June 25, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2007 if you have a look at the topic in this forum called Air Bottle, (its on page 2 sent by myself) you will see a reply from Pin and there is an attachment which will calculate the amount of fills you get from a bottle Yeah, seen it but the file's zipped and I can't open it. I'm not forking out $30 for winzip and my trial's run out :blink: 12 fills for a fiver plus £150 initial outlay is starting to make the pump look more attractive again. Edit - stopped being lazy and found a free unzipper. cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garygas Posted June 25, 2007 Report Share Posted June 25, 2007 Can anyone give me the lowdown on charging PCP's I'm waiting for an Air Arms S410 to arrive from ProudDad on here and need to sort out how to fill it. Option 1 - Pump - sounds OK, but for the price (they seem to be around £120) I may as well buy a bottle. Option 2 - Bottle. I'm not sure of the running costs for these so I have a few questions. I've been doing my homework and it seems its best to get a 300 bar tank as opposed to 232bar. There is a dive shop at the end of the road and I'll pop in there later to see if they will fill to 300Bar. Q1. How much do you guys pay for a fill? Q2. how many fills would I expect to get from a 3Litre tank or a 7 litre tank? I don't want to go bigger because of the size and weight - I'm running out of space in my wardrobe. Q3. Are the hose to gun fittings standard? Q4. The dials on the guns apparently aren't too accurate - how do I know when to stop filling? The manual i found online says fill to 190Bar. Hi, Fortunatley I do SCUBA diving. Most dive shops will charge u £4-£4.50 to charge your tanks. My advice is to get a 15L tank and decant to a 3L pony tank. The pony is sufficiently light to be portable at your shoot and it makes more sense to fill a larger tank as they charge the same regardless of size. Try Go-dive.net in Derby....about the cheapest around...hope this helps! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CARBINE Posted June 25, 2007 Report Share Posted June 25, 2007 Can anyone give me the lowdown on charging PCP's I'm waiting for an Air Arms S410 to arrive from ProudDad on here and need to sort out how to fill it. Option 1 - Pump - sounds OK, but for the price (they seem to be around £120) I may as well buy a bottle. Option 2 - Bottle. I'm not sure of the running costs for these so I have a few questions. I've been doing my homework and it seems its best to get a 300 bar tank as opposed to 232bar. There is a dive shop at the end of the road and I'll pop in there later to see if they will fill to 300Bar. Q1. How much do you guys pay for a fill? Q2. how many fills would I expect to get from a 3Litre tank or a 7 litre tank? I don't want to go bigger because of the size and weight - I'm running out of space in my wardrobe. Q3. Are the hose to gun fittings standard? Q4. The dials on the guns apparently aren't too accurate - how do I know when to stop filling? The manual i found online says fill to 190Bar. Hi, Fortunatley I do SCUBA diving. Most dive shops will charge u £4-£4.50 to charge your tanks. My advice is to get a 15L tank and decant to a 3L pony tank. The pony is sufficiently light to be portable at your shoot and it makes more sense to fill a larger tank as they charge the same regardless of size. Try Go-dive.net in Derby....about the cheapest around...hope this helps! Hi, first forget the pump not unless you look like ARNY SWARTZ I have a 12 ltr 232 bottle, cost £3 to fill and put 190 bar in my gun max I also fill my mate`s gun too every time we go out, I had the bottle filled in Jan and just had it filled today, we go out every week and don`t let the air in the guns get below 50 bar so I will let you do the maths on that---thats got to be good and Im filling two guns a week??? go for the bottle you will be ok with it---col Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbriz Posted June 25, 2007 Report Share Posted June 25, 2007 Can anyone give me the lowdown on charging PCP's I'm waiting for an Air Arms S410 to arrive from ProudDad on here and need to sort out how to fill it. Option 1 - Pump - sounds OK, but for the price (they seem to be around £120) I may as well buy a bottle. Option 2 - Bottle. I'm not sure of the running costs for these so I have a few questions. I've been doing my homework and it seems its best to get a 300 bar tank as opposed to 232bar. There is a dive shop at the end of the road and I'll pop in there later to see if they will fill to 300Bar. Q1. How much do you guys pay for a fill? Q2. how many fills would I expect to get from a 3Litre tank or a 7 litre tank? I don't want to go bigger because of the size and weight - I'm running out of space in my wardrobe. Q3. Are the hose to gun fittings standard? Q4. The dials on the guns apparently aren't too accurate - how do I know when to stop filling? The manual i found online says fill to 190Bar. Hi, Fortunatley I do SCUBA diving. Most dive shops will charge u £4-£4.50 to charge your tanks. My advice is to get a 15L tank and decant to a 3L pony tank. The pony is sufficiently light to be portable at your shoot and it makes more sense to fill a larger tank as they charge the same regardless of size. Try Go-dive.net in Derby....about the cheapest around...hope this helps! Hi, first forget the pump not unless you look like ARNY SWARTZ I have a 12 ltr 232 bottle, cost £3 to fill and put 190 bar in my gun max I also fill my mate`s gun too every time we go out, I had the bottle filled in Jan and just had it filled today, we go out every week and don`t let the air in the guns get below 50 bar so I will let you do the maths on that---thats got to be good and Im filling two guns a week??? go for the bottle you will be ok with it---col Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tosspot Posted June 25, 2007 Report Share Posted June 25, 2007 Get yourself a 12 Ltr bottle, stand it in a boot and it will sit nice and quiet in the corner of your wardrobe and take up next to no space even if you shoot loads you'll only have to refill every few months at no real extra cost to refilling a smaller bottle, slave off that one to a smaller bottle for ease of transport if need be as stated above, get a pump if you like working out and IMO i'm still a bit dubious about dirty air / stirrup pumps (cue torrent of abuse) cheers TP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted June 26, 2007 Report Share Posted June 26, 2007 get a pump if you like working out and IMO i'm still a bit dubious about dirty air / stirrup pumps (cue torrent of abuse) Here is your torrent .......................... Pumps if serviced correctly do not require Herculean strength, why my 86 year old nan could do it! As for dirty air, that's what the filter is for! Oh and don't forget that "breathing air" from the dive shop contains water as well! If you had "dry" air then it would cause breathing difficulties in divers, it may be drier than normal air but it still contains moisture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killer rabbit (r1000) Posted July 1, 2007 Report Share Posted July 1, 2007 i have 2 3l & a 2l all 232bar bottles that i use to pony from my mates 10l 232 just down the road, split the transport & filling cost with him & job done. i also have a webley stirrup as a backup, takes a little effort but you get used to it, no moisture trap on it yet, but has got a dust filter (tip: change the hard felt pellet in your dust filter for a cigarrette filter - the kind used for hand rolling, they do just as well to catch particles & are lighter so allow easier airflow) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted July 1, 2007 Report Share Posted July 1, 2007 Diversity in potters bar does 300bar fills for £2.50. He's airgun friendly, he sells the things in there too. Get to know him and he will even take it and fill it slowly so it doesn't get hot and end up with 30% less air in there by the time it cools down. Snakey is bang on with pumps, if looked after , being perfectly adequate. Not for me, it is a lot of work. 12l 300bar tank is what you want. To begin with you'll probably pink away and use a lot of air, eventually that will slow down and you'll use it less and you won't be able to remember when you last got the divers tank filled up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolf Posted July 1, 2007 Report Share Posted July 1, 2007 i have a 7ltr 232bar bottle which i use to fill aa 410 & Alros m400, it cost me £2.50 for a fill from my local dive centre i get around 15 fills plenty for 2 weeks shooting. oh and i paid £89 for the bottle (New) and £47.00 for the gauge and fill hose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShaggyRS6 Posted July 1, 2007 Report Share Posted July 1, 2007 My last refill on Friday cost £6.50 for 12L 300 Bar. The extra £2 was for the Compressed Air Sticker I left in the Range Rover when I had it. Always a good idea to have one visible when you are driving a bottle around. Also, you want to write in a perminant marker on the bottle its for land use only, otherwise they have to be tested every 2 years as opposed to every 5 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyjaimz Posted July 3, 2007 Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 Only costs me £3.50 to fill my bottle up, lasts me a about 6 weeks and go shooting about 3 times a week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted July 3, 2007 Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 get a pump if you like working out and IMO i'm still a bit dubious about dirty air / stirrup pumps (cue torrent of abuse) Here is your torrent .......................... Pumps if serviced correctly do not require Herculean strength, why my 86 year old nan could do it! As for dirty air, that's what the filter is for! Oh and don't forget that "breathing air" from the dive shop contains water as well! If you had "dry" air then it would cause breathing difficulties in divers, it may be drier than normal air but it still contains moisture. hmmn is that right? gully do yourself a favour and get a cylinder (milk comes in bottles) as big as you can afford as a fill costs the same! shame you were not closer I get my air 24/7 for free? forget about using a pump as remember the simple rule ie you can compress a gas but you CANT compress a fluid hence the water content of the air we breathe has to go somewher and thats in YOUR gun! Diving air is as far as it is technically possible DRY ie it has had near as dammit all moisture content removed, it has to by law (HSE) as to the risks of having wet breathing air at pressure are enormous as apart from the obvious problem of water in gas at pressure condensing and freely flowing (good for the lungs that) the big danger is water means ICE when pressure is reduced as in the use of a multi stage dive reg, at best as I say wet air at worst a freeflowing of totally failed "frozen DV" in your gob. not good at 50 meters believe me (got the tee shirt) cheers KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted July 3, 2007 Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 hmmn is that right? Diving air is as far as it is technically possible DRY ie it has had near as dammit all moisture content removed I'll have to say yes to the question as the operative phrase in the later statement is "near as damn it". I wasn't saying it was 100% moisture free (if indeed it is possible) just poining out that diving air still contains a little moisture. Having no experience in diving I cannot state exact percentages but I am going on information recieved from a reliable source. Please excuse any errors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gully Posted July 7, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2007 Well, the gun was coming and I needed a way to fill it in a hurry. Took it to the local gun shop and got the first fill done for a quid. Bought a pump from Ramsbottoms along with some pellets, swivels, sling etc, mainly as a backup as I intended to get an air bottle. I'm no Arnie, but pumping it from 100 bar to 190 bar is a piece of p***. I'm really not sure if I'll bother getting a bottle now. I actually enjot hard labour. What's the deal with water content? Worried it will rot the tank or is it because it is non compressible so takes up air space? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted July 8, 2007 Report Share Posted July 8, 2007 I'm no Arnie, but pumping it from 100 bar to 190 bar is a piece of p***. I'm really not sure if I'll bother getting a bottle now. I actually enjot hard labour. What's the deal with water content? Worried it will rot the tank or is it because it is non compressible so takes up air space? Firstly, easy isn't it? Don't know what all the fuss is about from some people! Secondly, get a filter, Hydropak or whatever they are called, forget now. It takes most of the moisture out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killer rabbit (r1000) Posted July 8, 2007 Report Share Posted July 8, 2007 What's the deal with water content? Worried it will rot the tank or is it because it is non compressible so takes up air space? the amount of space taken up by moisture in your air bottle or gun cylinder would be negligable, however, you do need to be careful as moisture will affect the life of the equipment (internal rust spots, seal & valve damage etc ). using an air bottle is much easier & has very little moisture, if you're using a stirrup pump i would reccommend getting a moisture trap (which can be high maintainance depending on the environment you're using it in) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark M Posted July 8, 2007 Report Share Posted July 8, 2007 I'm no Arnie, but pumping it from 100 bar to 190 bar is a piece of p***. I'm really not sure if I'll bother getting a bottle now. I actually enjot hard labour. What's the deal with water content? Worried it will rot the tank or is it because it is non compressible so takes up air space? Firstly, easy isn't it? Don't know what all the fuss is about from some people! Secondly, get a filter, Hydropak or whatever they are called, forget now. It takes most of the moisture out. Said it was not too hard, If you get the knack of doing it it's easy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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