trutta Posted November 8, 2019 Report Share Posted November 8, 2019 (edited) Hey gang, Not sure the correct nomenclature but was curious if anyone has seen this setup on a British double, it slides up and down to activate the extractor, as well as this neat auto safety. Edited November 8, 2019 by trutta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted November 8, 2019 Report Share Posted November 8, 2019 Both pretty standard stuff on English guns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJsDad Posted November 8, 2019 Report Share Posted November 8, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, London Best said: Both pretty standard stuff on English guns. The Spanish (in particular AYA) follow the same basic layout which is a virtual copy of the early Westly Richards boxlock. As London Best has already indicated, the mechanism is all pretty standard in its form and function. Edited November 8, 2019 by JJsDad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunman Posted November 8, 2019 Report Share Posted November 8, 2019 Its called the extractor cam. Many gun actions were machined so they could be built up as ejector or non ejector guns . Those machined solely as non ejectors often had a solid cam formed as part of the body and have loose joint pins . The action show appears to be a "solid pin" , where the joint pin is is an integral part of the action . As a result these actions always had a cam fitted either into the body and held in place with a pin , which it would have been had the gun been an ejector , or as in this case of a non ejector , the cam rides in the forend knuckle . It all really depends on who made the gun and how it was fitted up . Either was just as good . The safe "range" is pretty standard and would be largely the same for a variety of safe types . The gun action being a cam lever would mean the gun was of lower "quality " than one fitted with a Scott lever and spindle as it required less machining and fitting up and was therefore cheaper to produce . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trutta Posted November 8, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2019 Excellent, thank you guys!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted November 8, 2019 Report Share Posted November 8, 2019 Well done, Gunman, no substitute for info straight from ‘the trade’. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Boggy Posted November 8, 2019 Report Share Posted November 8, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, London Best said: Well done, Gunman, no substitute for info straight from ‘the trade’. Yes, totally agree. Always interested in what Gunman has to say. A mine of information and experience. OB Edited November 8, 2019 by Old Boggy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trutta Posted November 10, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2019 (edited) Once again thanks! Would anyone like to hazard a guess or speculation? Someone had to make and sell it! 30” barrels and weighs 6.8 pounds, pretty amazing considering American doubles around the same time were 7.25 to 8lbs! this marking was on the flats and this on the barrels next to the import marks Edited November 10, 2019 by trutta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunman Posted November 11, 2019 Report Share Posted November 11, 2019 The Anson and Deeley rocker safe puts the gun in a slightly higher bracket than the " base model " . But I would describe it as a fairly standard "trade gun". Guns like this were made in there hundreds by small and medium sized workshops for sale to the shops and for export .These shops could buy machinings from several machinists , Philipson's and Asbury , the oft seem JA spring to mind , made up barrel sets and filed furnitures , or indeed complete barrel actions that needed to be stocked up and finished , a gun could then be built up to customer or excepted standard pattern and dimensions. Many will have ended up with the name of the seller engraved on the rib as that of the "maker" . A sure sign of this will that the name is only on the rib and not on the action , as it was not practical to try to engrave on a case hardened body . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord v Posted November 11, 2019 Report Share Posted November 11, 2019 I'm not seeing a proof mark on the flats. I imagine a trade gun (or components thereof) shipped to the US for assembly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted November 11, 2019 Report Share Posted November 11, 2019 It has proof marks on the action above he knuckle and 1 1/8 is clearly visible on the barrel flats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trutta Posted November 11, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2019 Nope, there are proof marks No markings on the rib. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted November 11, 2019 Report Share Posted November 11, 2019 Post 1925, Birmingham. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trutta Posted November 11, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2019 (edited) It wouldn’t be 1904 to 1921? No date codes are present, they came out in 22, right? Edited November 11, 2019 by trutta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted November 11, 2019 Report Share Posted November 11, 2019 (edited) Not if my (failing) memory serves me right. I don’t have a reference book to hand but I think it’s the same as my H&H which was made in 1930. edit: I can’t see a chamber length, so I think I am mistaken and you, sir, are correct! Edited November 11, 2019 by London Best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord v Posted November 11, 2019 Report Share Posted November 11, 2019 20 minutes ago, London Best said: It has proof marks on the action above he knuckle and 1 1/8 is clearly visible on the barrel flats. quite correct - I missed the crown on the knuckle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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