grasshopper Posted August 10, 2007 Report Share Posted August 10, 2007 Went out the other morning after a Roe Buck we had seen a few times in the corner of a field whilst checking for fox. 1st morn we saw him it was late as we,d already been around the shoot.He dropped into the edge of the field which was slightly sunken,so good backstop.Rifle loaded,my mate stalked along the hedge on the outside of the field,i waited for a shot to go off,but nothing.Then we found out why.....dog walker Tried the next morn,this time we got to the field as dawn broke,unfortunately he spotted my mate getting into position and proceeded to walk along the skyline looking back and stopping as if he knew he was safe. Next attempt..this time into position before light broke....you guessed no deer On our way out of said field,we spied a doe over the road walking along a hedge in another field we have permission on. While watching her a fox appeared and crossed this field,stopping side on a few times as we tried to call it.Would have been a lovely,challenging shot at about 300yds but for the fact their was a road in between and some locals were on their way to work 6-2 shift. again. So off we go for a drive around the shoot to see whats about.We spotted a Roe buck feeding just inside the wood.Park up, my mate loads his .243 and off into the wood we go,easy stalk really as we were well hidden by the trees and undergrowth. Got to within 45yds of him,seeing him no probs,get down on the rifle,too much cover.He eventually found a gap by using a tree as his rest and 1 shot (Sako 90grns) dropped him on the spot....now this is where i slipped up,as hidden from my view there was another roe that ran off(couldn,t understand my mate looking anxious)could of had his life for a few mins even though i saw it drop like a stone We took this 1 out as he was in an area that we know holds a more impressive buck which we,ve left all season as breeding stock. GH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazza Posted August 10, 2007 Report Share Posted August 10, 2007 If at first you don't succeed............. A really nice buck. Well done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie 1 Posted August 10, 2007 Report Share Posted August 10, 2007 Well done m8. persistance always pays off, and i hope u manage to get the fox. charlie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moses Posted August 10, 2007 Report Share Posted August 10, 2007 Went out the other morning after a Roe Buck we had seen a few times in the corner of a field whilst checking for fox.1st morn we saw him it was late as we,d already been around the shoot.He dropped into the edge of the field which was slightly sunken,so good backstop.Rifle loaded,my mate stalked along the hedge on the outside of the field,i waited for a shot to go off,but nothing.Then we found out why.....dog walker Tried the next morn,this time we got to the field as dawn broke,unfortunately he spotted my mate getting into position and proceeded to walk along the skyline looking back and stopping as if he knew he was safe. Next attempt..this time into position before light broke....you guessed no deer On our way out of said field,we spied a doe over the road walking along a hedge in another field we have permission on. While watching her a fox appeared and crossed this field,stopping side on a few times as we tried to call it.Would have been a lovely,challenging shot at about 300yds but for the fact their was a road in between and some locals were on their way to work 6-2 shift. again. So off we go for a drive around the shoot to see whats about.We spotted a Roe buck feeding just inside the wood.Park up, my mate loads his .243 and off into the wood we go,easy stalk really as we were well hidden by the trees and undergrowth. Got to within 45yds of him,seeing him no probs,get down on the rifle,too much cover.He eventually found a gap by using a tree as his rest and 1 shot (Sako 90grns) dropped him on the spot....now this is where i slipped up,as hidden from my view there was another roe that ran off(couldn,t understand my mate looking anxious)could of had his life for a few mins even though i saw it drop like a stone We took this 1 out as he was in an area that we know holds a more impressive buck which we,ve left all season as breeding stock. Tried for the original buck this morn but no show,even the fox didn,t appear either. Nice buck, hope to bag one myself next weekend. GH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tikkamark Posted August 10, 2007 Report Share Posted August 10, 2007 Thats a lovely buck g.h thats a really nice rifle love them full length stocks very nice Did the new leupold scope improve your n.v setup? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilishdave Posted August 10, 2007 Report Share Posted August 10, 2007 Cracking looking buck, will it make a medal? Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grasshopper Posted August 11, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 11, 2007 Cracking looking buck, will it make a medal? Dave No interest in that Dave..will make some cracking sunday lunches though Mark not got the new 30mm rings through yet,even though i ordered them last Fri GH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilishdave Posted August 11, 2007 Report Share Posted August 11, 2007 I notice you are just up the road from me in couny Durham. I haven't ean any deer with heads as impresive as that down here. What was this lads main food source? Can you chase a few of those down here? Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grasshopper Posted August 11, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 11, 2007 I notice you are just up the road from me in couny Durham. I haven't ean any deer with heads as impresive as that down here. What was this lads main food source? Can you chase a few of those down here? Dave He was regularly on Meadow sweet,buttercups etc. Heres 1 fom earlier this year,photo was off my phone so not good quality(wot promted me to buy a digi camera) Had a word and there,s a couple on their way down the A1 as we speak Dave their mine all mine all mine GH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbo243 Posted August 11, 2007 Report Share Posted August 11, 2007 What a pity that you are proud to advertise that you break the law .Are you not aware of the restrictions imposed by the foot and mouth outbreak. If you doubt this read the defra website this clearly informs the current situation.I doubt you would be so proud had you helped to spread the outbreak because of what i hope was your lack of knowledge .You can shoot but not transport deer at the present time I therefore assume you left the carcass where you shot it to rot . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilishdave Posted August 11, 2007 Report Share Posted August 11, 2007 Robbo, The restrictions on moving the deer out with the inner cordon and the observation are have been lifted. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oly Posted August 11, 2007 Report Share Posted August 11, 2007 Robbo, The restrictions on moving the deer out with the inner cordon and the observation are have been lifted. Dave Not sure what you've been reading Dave but this is taken from the Defra website this morning - http://www.defra.gov.uk/news/latest/2007/animal-0810.htm The national ban preventing the movement of susceptible animals across Great Britain (excluding Northern Ireland) remains in place. However, in accordance with the contingency plan, a veterinary assessment of the risk from licensing these moves has been carried out. From 00.01 hours on 9 August, the movement of live animals direct to slaughter, and the collection of dead animals from farms is permitted. These general licences will only apply outside of the protection, surveillance and temporary zones. As per the other threads on this forum Robbo is right, nice work Grasshopper but what you did was illegal (unless you have been granted a Defra general licence?). At times like these as shooters need to be more aware and realise the potential impact of your actions on others. As I mentioned on a previous topic even the Forestry Commission's professional stalkers have been told to stop shooting. Many others have stopped shooting completely due to the increased risk, others are taking the advice of the resident landowners, which should ALWAYS be taken in conjunction with Defra's guidance. Check the above website for updated press releases. If I were you I would contact Defra and explain the honest mistake, hopefully they should be able to provide guidance on how to dispose of the carcass safely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazza Posted August 11, 2007 Report Share Posted August 11, 2007 well done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilishdave Posted August 11, 2007 Report Share Posted August 11, 2007 FURTHER UPDATE 10th AUGUST 2007 Deer Carcase Movements Now Allowed in England The Deer Initiative after checking the situation with lawyers has asked for the following be circulated: Guidance from Defra (FMD Outbreak Wildlife Policy) The following guidance is only relevant to a RESTRICTED Zone. Specific guidance for the Surveillance and Protection Zones will be issued in due course. IN ENGLAND: 1. Treated and untreated carcases of deer killed for human consumption can be moved off the premises of origin for movement to the game larder and/or a Game Handling Establishment (GHE) and from any premises through the usual wholesale/retail premises as necessary to the end consumer. They may NOT be exported. 2. Farmed deer can be sent to approved slaughterhouses. See link for details on approved slaughterhouses. http://www.defra.gov.uk/animalh/diseases/f...rs/approved.htm 3. Carcases and any part of a carcase including trophies not intended for human consumption cannot be moved off the premises of origin. Please note this is a change to previous guidance. Further interpretation of the legislation recognised that treated trophies can be sold but there is no provision for movement. 4. The FMD (England) Order 2006 (S.I. 2006/182) requires that in a Restricted Zone, no person shall hold or take part in a stalk except under authority of a licence from the Secretary of State see Sch.7, para.6. The occupier of any land as well as members of his household, as well as persons employed by him as beaters, and any member of a shooting party of not more than 3 people authorised by him may shoot deer found on that land. Our guidance is that within these conditions, the number of people should be kept to the minimum needed. If larger parties are required, or shooting that does not comply in any way with the paragraph above, then shooting may only be carried out under an appropriate licence. At this time all restrictions in a Restricted Zone are in place and at present licences are not being granted. Information Supplied by: Peter Watson Executive Director, Deer Initiative UPDATE 10th AUGUST 2007 Deer Carcase Movement in Scotland As of 00:01hr on Friday 10th August whole deer carcases or any parts of deer carcases can be legally moved within Scotland. The General Licence issued allows the transportation of any carcases in the normal manner between the culling location to a larder or any other premises. It also allows the venison dealer to pick up the carcases from any larder and to transport them onwards to a processing plant. The General Licence also allows the removal of carcases resulting from road traffic accidents. However it must be noted that restriction on deer stalking in parties of no more than three persons still remains in force. People should also continue to practice good biosecurity and remain vigilant for any signs of disease. Anything suspicious should be reported as quickly as possible to a local Animal Health Office. Licences are available from local Animal Health Offices. There are 5 offices in Scotland: Ayr 01292 291350; Galashiels 01896 758806; Inverness 01463 253098; Inverurie 01467 626300; Perth 01738 602211. SPECIFIC Q&A INFORMATION FOR SCOTTISH DEER SECTOR - How does the confirmed FMD case in cattle in Surrey affect stalking and the deer sector in Scotland? You can only stalk on ground in a party of no more than three people with the occupier's permission. Stalking in larger groups can only be carried out under a specific individual licence. Licences are not currently being issued. - Can I shoot deer on my own ground? Yes - if no more than 3 people: the occupier of any land, members of his household, persons employed by him as ghillies and any member of a shooting party of not more than 3 persons authorised by him may shoot deer on the land, without a licence - Can I take guests out on my ground to shoot stags? Yes - if no more than three people - What if I am part of a group of more than three people who want to go stalking in Scotland? Groups of more than three are currently unable to go stalking without a licence in Scotland until further notice - Can I take my shot deer to my larder? Yes you can take a shot deer to any larder whether it is on your own premises or not. - Can I take my shot deer to the venison dealer? Yes. - Will the venison dealer come and pick up my beasts? Yes , the venison dealer can now pick up carcases as normal. - Can my guest take the antlers away? Yes within Scotland. However there still remains a ban on the export of carcases including any game trophies for a longer period outside the UK. In the intervening period we would recommend that the trophy items are treated in the following way: immersed in boiling water for an appropriate time so as to ensure that any matter other than bone, horns, hooves, claws, antlers or teeth is removed: disinfected with a product authorised by the competent authority, in particular with hydrogen peroxide where parts consisting of bone are concerned: packaged, immediately after treatment, without being in contact with other products of animal origin likely to contaminate them, in individual, transparent and closed packages so as to avoid any subsequent contamination - How long will the restrictions last? It is unclear at this stage how long the restrictions will last. For up to date information please log on to the DCS website www.dcs.gov.uk or the Scottish Executive website www.scotland.gov.uk - What happens if I hit a deer on the road? You can now remove and dispose of the carcase in the normal manner. - Do you have more biosecurity information? Please find further details on the Scottish Executive website - www.scotland.gov.uk Information supplied by: Erlend Barclay Communications Officer Deer Commission for Scotland www.dcs.gov.uk NB you dont have to be granted a general licence you just have to comply with it. I hope that clarifys the situation for you Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oly Posted August 11, 2007 Report Share Posted August 11, 2007 Dave, Just searched 'FMD Outbreak Wildlife Policy' on defra & google's websites but can't find it, can you post the link to this part of the defra website please. Thanks, Oly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suffolk shooter Posted August 11, 2007 Report Share Posted August 11, 2007 Boys stop hijacking the post. Good pics GH and nice head, trophy or not. SS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROBLATCH Posted August 11, 2007 Report Share Posted August 11, 2007 nice shooting mate well done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted August 11, 2007 Report Share Posted August 11, 2007 So has the finger pointers said sorry and retrackted there posts NO THAT TAKES A MAN My thoughts aswell Winchester........ Well Well Well Oly, shot down in flames again, it's a wonder you didn't phone Cumbria Police on this one Restriction lifted on the 10th, Grasshoppers post made on the 10th, Cracking head Grasshopper, I bet thats gunna hang on someones wall Maybe members with a bit more experience of medal heads, could give there opinion on this one...... BJ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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