kiddy1 Posted August 17, 2007 Report Share Posted August 17, 2007 Hi, can anyone help me .... i am 16 years old and hopefully about to buy my first 12gauge its a complicated story but, a firend f my father bought a brand new silver pigeon fixed choke from my uncle who had swapped a second hand webley and scott for it. The beretta is about three years old and has less than 1000 shots through it. I can buy it for £480 the trouble is i don't know how to tell which model the gun is and if £480 is a good price or not. Any advice? All i know is that its a silver pigeon fixed choke 28" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilishdave Posted August 17, 2007 Report Share Posted August 17, 2007 If it is in good nick it doesn't mater what model it is £480 is a good deal. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaniel Posted August 17, 2007 Report Share Posted August 17, 2007 Got to agree, if it is in good nick and fits you ok...im guessing you have already had a go on it..then get it. You dont get much for the money these days and a Berreta is always a good buy. I expect if you sale it next year you would get the same price as you are paying for it. good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arjimlad Posted August 17, 2007 Report Share Posted August 17, 2007 Bargain Lovely guns these I would accept it as a gift if I were you. I'm sure you know but for the sake of anyone reading this who does not... Under 14 years old CAN: Hold a shotgun certificate. CANNOT: Hold a firearm certificate. CANNOT (Even if the holder of a relevant certificate): Purchase or hire shotguns until 17 years old OR Receive a gift of a shotgun until 15 years old. Under 15 years old CAN: Hold a shotgun certificate AND Hold a firearm certificate. CAN (If authorised by the relevant certificate): Receive a gift of a Section 1 firearm from the age of 14 years old. CANNOT (Even if the holder of a relevant certificate): Purchase or hire a shotgun until 17 years old. Purchase or hire a firearm until 17 years old. Receive a gift of a shotgun until 15 years old. Possess an assembled shotgun unless: (a) supervised by a person over 21 years old, (preferably a shotgun certificate holder), OR ( the gun is so covered with a securely fastened gun-cover that it cannot be fired. Under 17 years old CAN: Hold a shotgun certificate AND Hold a firearm certificate. CAN (If authorised by the relevant certificate): Receive a gift of a shotgun from the age of 15 years. Receive a gift of a firearm from the age of 14 years. Possess a shotgun if covered and secured from the age of 15 years. CANNOT (Even if the holder of a relevant certificate): Purchase or hire shotguns until 17 years old. Purchase or hire firearms until 17 years old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markio Posted August 17, 2007 Report Share Posted August 17, 2007 Check what level of choke it has. If it's 3/4 and full then i would think twice. Not wishing to get drawn into a choke debate but anything too tight is no good for someone starting out in my personal opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiddy1 Posted August 17, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2007 Check what level of choke it has. If it's 3/4 and full then i would think twice. Not wishing to get drawn into a choke debate but anything too tight is no good for someone starting out in my personal opinion. Hi and thanks for your opinions.I think it is a 1/2 and full but am going round to get the handbook later on tonight.am getting excited now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markio Posted August 17, 2007 Report Share Posted August 17, 2007 Check what level of choke it has. If it's 3/4 and full then i would think twice. Not wishing to get drawn into a choke debate but anything too tight is no good for someone starting out in my personal opinion. Hi and thanks for your opinions.I think it is a 1/2 and full but am going round to get the handbook later on tonight.am getting excited now! What are you hoping to shoot with it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiddy1 Posted August 17, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2007 I generally shoot pigeons with my grand father and then the very odd pop at pheasants......shoot clays once or twice a year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter-peter Posted August 17, 2007 Report Share Posted August 17, 2007 Check what level of choke it has. If it's 3/4 and full then i would think twice. Not wishing to get drawn into a choke debate but anything too tight is no good for someone starting out in my personal opinion. Hi and thanks for your opinions.I think it is a 1/2 and full but am going round to get the handbook later on tonight.am getting excited now! get it for that price you can,t go wrong forget about choke its swings and roundabouts the tighter the choke the longer the shot string. if you are on line you can use more lead with a tighter choke. of more importance is fit. but if it doesnt fit you will have a good trade in against another gun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markio Posted August 17, 2007 Report Share Posted August 17, 2007 Hmmm, i dunno, i could be speaking out of turn but do you need full choke for pigeons and a bit of game? Certainly not for clays. I believe the saying goes: chokes give you inches but you miss in feet. If you can hit stuff with it then go for it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter-peter Posted August 17, 2007 Report Share Posted August 17, 2007 Hmmm, i dunno, i could be speaking out of turn but do you need full choke for pigeons and a bit of game? Certainly not for clays. I believe the saying goes: chokes give you inches but you miss in feet. If you can hit stuff with it then go for it! markio. if you can hit it with a skeet choke you can hit it with full choke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter-peter Posted August 17, 2007 Report Share Posted August 17, 2007 Hi, can anyone help me .... i am 16 years old and hopefully about to buy my first 12gauge its a complicated story but, a firend f my father bought a brand new silver pigeon fixed choke from my uncle who had swapped a second hand webley and scott for it. The beretta is about three years old and has less than 1000 shots through it. I can buy it for £480 the trouble is i don't know how to tell which model the gun is and if £480 is a good price or not. Any advice? All i know is that its a silver pigeon fixed choke 28" buy it for gods sake he'll change his mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markio Posted August 17, 2007 Report Share Posted August 17, 2007 Hmmm, i dunno, i could be speaking out of turn but do you need full choke for pigeons and a bit of game? Certainly not for clays. I believe the saying goes: chokes give you inches but you miss in feet. If you can hit stuff with it then go for it! markio. if you can hit it with a skeet choke you can hit it with full choke. But would you want to eat it? Personally i would suggest a multi choke gun, a beginner can play about with chokes for a while, get it out of their system and settle on a set of chokes they feel comfortable with. As a beginner myself i can only imagine the 'what if' questions i would have if using such a gun. Obviously you are happy with full for everything but i guess that's because this is a conclusion you have come to via your own experience. I would want to make that decision myself hence the multi choke suggestion. Just my point of view of course. Kiddy1, try the gun, if it fits you and you can hit quarry then that's what counts! I thought i'd raise the choke question, rightly or wrongly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatingisbest Posted August 17, 2007 Report Share Posted August 17, 2007 My first gun (My AYA that i still have) is choked at 1/2 and Full. If anything i hit more with full choke, not sure how that works but there we go! At the end of the day if it fits get it, chokes really make very little difference. Oh and Kiddy1, i am the same age as you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulos Posted August 17, 2007 Report Share Posted August 17, 2007 it is a good price for any model of silver pigeon. if its fixed choke then the choke should be stamped on the barrels for you to tell (small circles ie. o,oo,ooo,oooo,ooooo), its true that choke shouldnt make a big massive, but it will make some. id advsed a multichoke for your first gun, that way you can decide and be happy with what you have in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiddy1 Posted August 18, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2007 well i already have a multi choke... i was going to sell it and replace it with the beretta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markio Posted August 18, 2007 Report Share Posted August 18, 2007 Sorry, i thought it was your first gun, I raised the choke issue because of that. In that case you sound experienced. So for all the reasons everyone has stated (fit, condition etc) then £480 for a silver pigeon is steal surely? It's about how well you shoot with it at the end of the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benbaikal Posted August 18, 2007 Report Share Posted August 18, 2007 i just bought myself a silver pigeon lovely gun if you don't want yours i will buy it . it;s a bargain mine cost 1060 new good look to you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiddy1 Posted August 18, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2007 i just bought myself a silver pigeon lovely gun if you don't want yours i will buy it . it;s a bargain mine cost 1060 new good look to you haha i will keep that in mind! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiddy1 Posted August 18, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2007 Ok Guys, thanks for all your input.I went round and parted with £480 of my hard earned schoolboy cash (actually £400 and £80 from my dad in antiucipation of my GCSE results!) It is as said a silver pigen s model, in mint condition...the choke issue will resolve itself I am sure and I cant wait till tuesday when my grand dad is taking me out to give it a go! cheers everyone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiddy1 Posted August 18, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2007 ok regarding the 'oooo' choke markings on the barrel it says IC0000 and M000, can anyone explain what choke that is? CLEVER THING IS GOOGLE! 1/4 and 1/2 is the answer.as per a previous positng on here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter-peter Posted August 18, 2007 Report Share Posted August 18, 2007 ok regarding the 'oooo' choke markings on the barrel it says IC0000 and M000, can anyone explain what choke that is? CLEVER THING IS GOOGLE! 1/4 and 1/2 is the answer.as per a previous positng on here! yes its 1/4 and 1/2 what I would term the perfect gun. now you need to put at least 2,000 cartridges through it. then you will find out if ist the gun for you. now go to a skeet range and get some practice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilishdave Posted August 18, 2007 Report Share Posted August 18, 2007 Improved Cylander and Modified. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markio Posted August 18, 2007 Report Share Posted August 18, 2007 Nice one! regarding the choke you can't go wrong with 1/4 and 1/2. Good for everything! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starlight32 Posted August 20, 2007 Report Share Posted August 20, 2007 Check what level of choke it has. If it's 3/4 and full then i would think twice. Not wishing to get drawn into a choke debate but anything too tight is no good for someone starting out in my personal opinion. Hi and thanks for your opinions.I think it is a 1/2 and full but am going round to get the handbook later on tonight.am getting excited now! If it is a silver pigeon fixed choke then it will be 1/4 & 1/2. Unless it is a very old Beretta 20-25 years +++ then they were not made any tighter than that. The silver pigeon is a relatively new gun so it will not be that old- and all Beretta game guns built post late 90's after the lead ban for wildfowl were manufactured with fixed choking below 1/2 so to negate the issue over use of steel shot. This was the info given to me by my RFD when I was inquiring about the same issue. Regards starlight32 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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