jimbob12 Posted April 25, 2020 Report Share Posted April 25, 2020 Hi everyone, I’m hoping someone can advise me if they are aware of a baikal hushpower 410 single shot shotgun being released without any porting in the barrel 🤔 Ive just unscrewed the outer casing off my suppressor to expose the barrel and discovered there are no porting holes in the barrel at all. It appears to just rely on the baffles in the last 5 - 6” of the suppressor. I’ve just started reloading 410 cartridges and after viewing posts on the fibre or plastic wad debate I thought I’d have a look at the barrel porting but couldn’t find any 😳 Is it later models that don’t have any porting? Thanks in advance James Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted April 26, 2020 Report Share Posted April 26, 2020 I dont know .but i do know that your better not having ports in a .410 barrel .as they tend to shave bits off the plas wads and they can migrate around the gun into places that cause problems . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted April 26, 2020 Report Share Posted April 26, 2020 hello, just use fibre wads ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted April 26, 2020 Report Share Posted April 26, 2020 Not a lot of options for those are there ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbob12 Posted April 26, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2020 Thanks for your replies guys. I am going to err on the side of caution and use fibre wads. I am going to use the load data on the Folkestone engineering services (kent) reloading site (John has been a great help 👍). I couldn’t get hold of vectan sp3 but I managed to get ramshot enforcer. There are a couple of loads for this powder with a fibre wad but there are a few more options using plastic. I was interested to see if anyone else had come across the lack of porting on the barrel?? Thanks Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted April 26, 2020 Report Share Posted April 26, 2020 Both mine and my mates .410 s have hushpower mods on the end and no porting .both are plenty quiet enough. Even more so with the right cart . And we use plaswads as these kill much better than fibres in our opinion . (In .410 ) . Its up to you though . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted April 27, 2020 Report Share Posted April 27, 2020 (edited) On 25/04/2020 at 22:40, jimbob12 said: Hi everyone, I’m hoping someone can advise me if they are aware of a baikal hushpower 410 single shot shotgun being released without any porting in the barrel 🤔 Ive just unscrewed the outer casing off my suppressor to expose the barrel and discovered there are no porting holes in the barrel at all. It appears to just rely on the baffles in the last 5 - 6” of the suppressor. I’ve just started reloading 410 cartridges and after viewing posts on the fibre or plastic wad debate I thought I’d have a look at the barrel porting but couldn’t find any 😳 Is it later models that don’t have any porting? Thanks in advance James hello, interesting post, what made you think there were porting holes ? that would add a greater cost to these hushpower type shotguns, as you mention the baffles being in the last 6 inches is there any need for the extra long tube over the barrel, maybe that is why saddlery and guns now have their modified muzzle fitting silencers, i suppose an interesting experiment would be to test the sound report of one with the full length over barrel against the shortened version that screws on barrel or a specially made screw in choke, if there is no difference then it seems logical not to have the extra weight of steel tubing and make shooting these less front heavy, only my opinion but its like having a 2 barrel shotgun with a 6 inch muzzle suppressor, rather a short barrel with the add on suppressor much more favourable, Edited April 27, 2020 by oldypigeonpopper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remimax Posted April 27, 2020 Report Share Posted April 27, 2020 (edited) does your 410 have a full length moderator if so they are usually ported/row of holes drilled in barrel, otherwise no point having the long tube to bleed off gas. Edited April 27, 2020 by Remimax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted April 27, 2020 Report Share Posted April 27, 2020 hello, i would stand corrected but i do not think these shotguns with the long tube and end suppressor are ported but rely on the main outer tube as a first muffle to the end with a modified silencer, more so in the 410s, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scutt Posted April 27, 2020 Report Share Posted April 27, 2020 Bought a Hushpower single shot Baikel 410 4years ago at the time of purchase I was advised to only use felt wads cos the plastic wads would foul the barrel ports .A friend bought one with the can type suppressor on the end of the barrel I like how the hushpower full length suppressor gun handles better than the can type .Must say I have had some great outings with the 410 around the cattle sheds on the jackdaws skemis and rats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted April 27, 2020 Report Share Posted April 27, 2020 So between my mate and i we have had 3 sadlery and gun room baikal. 410 hushpowers .all three have been ported with 2 rows of 5 4mm ish holes in the bore under the mod .one of these guns had the soild aluminium "baffel stack " the other 2 had the steel washer type stack . The washer type being slightly quieter .. The last of these guns my mate bought started shaving bits of plas wad due to the porting .they ended up migrating into the block stopping the gun from closing properly . He the had a accidental discharge .on closing the gun . (Safe direction ) good muzzle control .bits of plas wad was to blame ..Now we also feel that the porting robs the .410 cart of muzzle energy and limits the range a bit (5 - 10 yds ) He got rid of this gun and bought a standard baikal and fitted a s&g add on 9 inch mod .its possible to reflex this mod somewhat shortening the overall length . The gun is a touch louder than the older full length shrouded and ported one at the muzzle .walk 50 yds away and you cant tell the difference ..we know this because he had both before he sold the ported one . This new gun is plenty quiet enough .shorter than the full shroud .lighter and kills better . Convincing argument .eh ? Ps my yildiz is a single shot floder with add on mod and is quiet enough and kills really well . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbob12 Posted April 28, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2020 On 27/04/2020 at 08:11, Remimax said: does your 410 have a full length moderator if so they are usually ported/row of holes drilled in barrel, otherwise no point having the long tube to bleed off gas. Yep, it’s the full length moderator. That’s why I’m so surprised that the barrel hasn’t got any porting holes drilled in it? Very strange! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remimax Posted April 29, 2020 Report Share Posted April 29, 2020 14 hours ago, jimbob12 said: Yep, it’s the full length moderator. That’s why I’m so surprised that the barrel hasn’t got any porting holes drilled in it? Very strange! maybe it was a friday gun and they forgot to drill it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbob12 Posted April 29, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2020 8 hours ago, Remimax said: maybe it was a friday gun and they forgot to drill it I wondered why my ears bled ever time I shot it!! 😝 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted April 30, 2020 Report Share Posted April 30, 2020 On 28/04/2020 at 21:56, jimbob12 said: Yep, it’s the full length moderator. That’s why I’m so surprised that the barrel hasn’t got any porting holes drilled in it? Very strange! hello, did you not ask the seller ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbob12 Posted April 30, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2020 I bought it from a local gun shop A few years ago and they are closed at present due to the lockdown. I have emailed saddlery and gunroom but they can’t help at present due to current circs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted May 1, 2020 Report Share Posted May 1, 2020 7 hours ago, jimbob12 said: I bought it from a local gun shop A few years ago and they are closed at present due to the lockdown. I have emailed saddlery and gunroom but they can’t help at present due to current circs. hello, that is understandable, but if it originally came from the latter company i would get it sent back via the Rfd, if it should have been ported or maybe they just bought the moderator and fitted themselves over the normal barrel, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted May 1, 2020 Report Share Posted May 1, 2020 You would send it back for porting .knowing that it could make your gun dangerous , and less effective on quarry .Really ?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted May 1, 2020 Report Share Posted May 1, 2020 1 minute ago, Ultrastu said: You would send it back for porting .knowing that it could make your gun dangerous , and less effective on quarry .Really ?. hello, i did say IF it should have been done, but on a previous post i questioned if they are ported or not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted May 1, 2020 Report Share Posted May 1, 2020 31 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said: hello, i did say IF it should have been done, but on a previous post i questioned if they are ported or not hello, i read one of your previous posts Ultrastu, April 2019 and agree going by statistics you do not realy need the single barrels ported but just an add on hushpower silencer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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