Webley and Scott S/S shot gun

[Rat Boy]

A local farmer has asked me to look at his shotgun as one of the firing pins is broken. I have renewed firing pins that are accessed by by unscrewing a collar around the pin and removing the pins towards the barrels. This Webley and Scott looks like the whole action requires dismantling. Looks like a complicated job. Any advice appreciated.  

[enfieldspares]

First check he has a valid authority to possess. Not just his word but check he has an in date SGC. You can then borrow it under the seventy two hour rule. 

The Webley will have the strikers integral as part of the tumblers. So you'll have to remove the bottom plate and then strip that side of the gun.

Then make and weld on a new firing pin. Which on a Webley will from memory be slightly curved. Me? I'd refer him to use a gunsmith.

God bless disc set strikers!

Edited February 12, 2023 by enfieldspares

[222mark]

I've a Webley and Scott and that has disc set strikers. I thought they all did!!!! 

[Rat Boy]

The gun is probable 60 years old. Definitely does not have disc set strikers. 

[222mark]

Mine is 110 years old. Webley and Scott 400 SXS. Still has disc set strikers. They must have done away with them to complicate the job!!!

[Gunman]

If its a 600/70 then it has a hammer striker , where the striker nose is an integral part of the hammer .

The gun needs to be stripped out and the hammer removed .This will mean stock ,off remove the sear and dog springs , cocking dog and sear . Hammer then needs taking out but bear in mind it has the pressure of the main spring on it so caution is advise when doing this.

A simple method of repairing the striker nose is to soften the hammer , file of the nose flush with the hammer face , put it back in the gun , mark the centre , then drill and tap a hole  make a new nose screw it in  [would advise to rivet over at rear to prevent unscrewing ]then and file to fit as it would have been done originally with the correct protrusion [.058"/.062"] reharden and temper and reassemble . 

It is possible to build up with weld if you have the correct filler rods but can be problematic with hardness and will still need to be filed to fit .

Best advice is to take it to someone who is capable and experienced and have it done properly  .

 

Edited February 14, 2023 by Gunman

[Gunman]

On 12/02/2023 at 19:36, enfieldspares said:

First check he has a valid authority to possess. Not just his word but check he has an in date SGC. You can then borrow it under the seventy two hour rule. 

The Webley will have the strikers integral as part of the tumblers. So you'll have to remove the bottom plate and then strip that side of the gun.

Then make and weld on a new firing pin. Which on a Webley will from memory be slightly curved. Me? I'd refer him to use a gunsmith.

God bless disc set strikers!

Agree the advantages of discs . Letting the striker  noses through was a pain . On Webley 700's "the inside man" ,  who fitted the inside work , drilled the striker holes and then had to file the hammer noses to fit . Repairing and refitting can be just as bad .

[Westley]

Even the 'discs' are NOT as straight forward as you would think. Recently had an AyA no.2 done. As someone had knackered the discs, they needed to be replaced, along with the firing pins. The new discs were blank and 'in the white' so needed drilling and blacking. The pins then needed filing to fit and then hardened. Too big a job  for me to tackle.

[enfieldspares]

3 hours ago, Gunman said:

 

Best advice is to take it to someone who is capable and experienced and have it done properly  .

 

This. Which is probably why, being cynical and unkind, your farmer friend having been told the cost of such has approached the OP. Or am I being uncharitable?

[Rat Boy]

You are indeed been uncharitable. As I have milling machines and lathes and have done several other jobs on air rifles. I also manufactured new firing pins for my shotgun. I suggested I could take a look at his Shotgun. My farmer friend had not approached a Gun Smith for a quote. It was a friendly gesture by myself. At the end of the day the job was to complicated for my limited experience. The job will be put in the hands of a gun smith, irreverent of price.

[Gunman]

3 hours ago, Westley said:

Even the 'discs' are NOT as straight forward as you would think. Recently had an AyA no.2 done. As someone had knackered the discs, they needed to be replaced, along with the firing pins. The new discs were blank and 'in the white' so needed drilling and blacking. The pins then needed filing to fit and then hardened. Too big a job  for me to tackle.

But like every thing else and please dont get me wrong here its knowing what to do and how to go about it .Even the most experienced of us get the odd job that does not go as well as possible , but without the right tools and experience damage does get done .  

[Westley]

8 minutes ago, Gunman said:

But like every thing else and please dont get me wrong here its knowing what to do and how to go about it .Even the most experienced of us get the odd job that does not go as well as possible , but without the right tools and experience damage does get done .  

"A man has to know his limitations ' . I regularly take out my Browning and Miroku firing pins for cleaning and I have rebuilt a scrapped Beretta 300, but none of this took accurate and painstaking hand finishing or correct hardening.