Konor Posted April 22 Report Share Posted April 22 51 minutes ago, London Best said: Yes Konor, I would. But it’s the constant tit for tat arguing/points scoring which I find very tedious. I don’t come on here to argue and will not argue with anyone on here, and I don’t want to read posts in which others keep on and on determined to have the last word. This is not an attempt to have the last word but I can assure you that attempting to put forward my point of view has not been a pleasant experience and has taken up much of my free time , hence my earlier decision to opt out, and has only been possible as I am on annual leave from work. Unfortunately for all concerned ,and I include those irritated by the tone of the thread brought about largely by frustration , the quest to have straight forward answers to genuine questions has led us to where we are now. That Conor decided to make the false statement he did was entirely his choice the decision to hold him accountable for that choice was mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conor O'Gorman Posted April 22 Author Report Share Posted April 22 11 hours ago, Konor said: Conor my best advice to you is “If you find yourself in a hole stop digging” Do you really think it appropriate to request a private phone call to “discuss my concerns” under the circumstances ? I think an apology to the forum would be more appropriate. My main concern is that I find you untrustworthy and no private phone call will undo the concerns that have led to that conclusion. Perhaps you should ponder on my posts and consider your position. If that is your main concern I would be happy to arrange a phone call with my colleague Terry who is leading for BASC on the voluntary transition. He wrote the blog post in the OP. https://basc.org.uk/moving-forward-for-the-future-of-shooting/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konor Posted April 22 Report Share Posted April 22 Just now, Conor O'Gorman said: If that is your main concern I would be happy to arrange a phone call with my colleague Terry who is leading for BASC on the voluntary transition. He wrote the blog post in the OP. https://basc.org.uk/moving-forward-for-the-future-of-shooting/ As I stated earlier the point of debating on an open forum is to air the views and concerns of members on the forum in order to have the responses to those views open to all to comment on in an effort to have fair representation in any ongoing discussion. My refusal to engage in a phone call is not personal it is in the interests of accountability and accountability and openness in debate is not well served in private phone calls. I am disappointed that you chose not to answer my questions which I think indicates you are not open to representing my views and also that you seem resistant to accepting responsibility for the posts you have made. I do not however have any over riding personal ill feeling towards you though I feel that at times your conduct has merited it I appreciate that you are not an anonymous contributor on the forum and that you may have a responsibility to reflect only certain views as dictated by the position you hold at work but I am not prepared to accept that you should expect me to limit expressing my views on the forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conor O'Gorman Posted April 22 Author Report Share Posted April 22 (edited) Konor, if you wish to 'represent your views' to BASC perhaps use the BASC contact form https://basc.org.uk/contact-us/ and use drop down menu to choose 'BASC Council' and/or attend the BASC AGM https://basc.org.uk/agm/ Have a look at the minutes of the last 4 AGMs since the nine organisations announced a voluntary transition away from lead shot and single use plastics for live quarry shooting for Q&As. Edited April 22 by Conor O'Gorman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konor Posted April 22 Report Share Posted April 22 2 minutes ago, Conor O'Gorman said: Konor, if you wish to 'represent your views' to BASC perhaps use the BASC contact form https://basc.org.uk/contact-us/ and use drop down menu to choose 'BASC Council' and/or attend the BASC AGM https://basc.org.uk/agm/ Have a look at the minutes of the last 4 AGMs since the nine organisations announced a voluntary transition away from lead shot and single use plastics for live quarry shooting for Q&As. Again no facing up to your requirement to be accountable. Your conduct on this thread does not encourage me to follow your advice. Although I am a long standing BASC member only the conditions of my wildfowling club membership is keeping me on board. I am well aware of the relevant information surrounding the lead debate despite your obvious doubts. I genuinely have no belief that BASC is acting in my best interests. If it was possible to bring it sufficient pressure to bear perhaps they would but I'm afraid I have insufficient time and placed my faith in my representatives to act on my behalf as part of their salaried remit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conor O'Gorman Posted April 22 Author Report Share Posted April 22 30 minutes ago, Konor said: Again no facing up to your requirement to be accountable. Your conduct on this thread does not encourage me to follow your advice. Although I am a long standing BASC member only the conditions of my wildfowling club membership is keeping me on board. I am well aware of the relevant information surrounding the lead debate despite your obvious doubts. I genuinely have no belief that BASC is acting in my best interests. If it was possible to bring it sufficient pressure to bear perhaps they would but I'm afraid I have insufficient time and placed my faith in my representatives to act on my behalf as part of their salaried remit. Perhaps this is where the misunderstanding is. I am not an elected member of BASC Council. I work for BASC. The BASC Council is responsible for setting strategy and policy, while operational execution is delegated to the chief executive. https://basc.org.uk/about/governance-and-structure/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted April 22 Report Share Posted April 22 30 minutes ago, Conor O'Gorman said: The BASC Council is responsible for setting strategy and policy, while operational execution is delegated to the chief executive. Using the advice of people like you, experts in their field ? What exactly is your job at BASC if you dont mind me asking ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conor O'Gorman Posted April 22 Author Report Share Posted April 22 18 minutes ago, Rewulf said: Using the advice of people like you, experts in their field ? What exactly is your job at BASC if you dont mind me asking ? Feel free to pick up the phone and I will fill you in on governance at BASC and my day to day work outside of answering Q&As on PW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konor Posted April 22 Report Share Posted April 22 52 minutes ago, Conor O'Gorman said: Perhaps this is where the misunderstanding is. I am not an elected member of BASC Council. I work for BASC. The BASC Council is responsible for setting strategy and policy, while operational execution is delegated to the chief executive. https://basc.org.uk/about/governance-and-structure/ The problem is not my misunderstanding of your position within the BASC organisation as is plainly obvious from reading my posts. It has been your refusal to engage in debate on a thread that you started and consequently your post falsely stating that you had answered all straightforward questions.on the thread when clearly you had not.Need I spell it out further. Instead of attempting to deflect attention away from your posts perhaps you should acknowledge your behaviour and try to be accountable for the opinions that you have expressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conor O'Gorman Posted April 22 Author Report Share Posted April 22 9 minutes ago, Konor said: The problem is not my misunderstanding of your position within the BASC organisation as is plainly obvious from reading my posts. It has been your refusal to engage in debate on a thread that you started and consequently your post falsely stating that you had answered all straightforward questions.on the thread when clearly you had not.Need I spell it out further. Instead of attempting to deflect attention away from your posts perhaps you should acknowledge your behaviour and try to be accountable for the opinions that you have expressed. Please ask a straightforward question then. Let's start with one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted April 22 Report Share Posted April 22 Time for this to end now, this comes to mind when reading the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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