PAULT Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 i recently renewed my fac it still had the same restrictions that was on my first i want this restriction removed when i phoned they said i needed more experience i have been shooting for 30 years i have had shotguns rifles .308 .223 loads of .22lr any ideas how i would do this i am not very good at writing letters thanx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 What restrictions do you have Paul? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAULT Posted February 12, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 CAN ONLY SHOOT ON GROUND CLEARED BY CHIEF OF POLICE FOR THAT AREA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 OK. How much land do you have to shoot on, and how much ammo have you used in the last 5 years? They <should> 'open' your certificate on renewal, but obviously they haven't. Have you tried phoning your FEO to discuss this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAULT Posted February 12, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 ive shot thousands of rounds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choke it Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 you under gwent ?:good:? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAULT Posted February 12, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 you must be psychic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kip270 Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 (edited) Not physic it's a well known fact the GWENT POLICE ARE A NIGHTMARE, i'm still trying to get my conditions changed since October 2007. Get in touch the BASC, GWENT POLICE don't like it when you do that What calibre rifles do you have?? What are the conditions of use ie: Deer Stalking, Vermin, Fox etc?? 13.11 It is accepted that land is not intrinsically “safe†or “unsafe†and that any shooter will have to exercise a strong measure of discretion in deciding whether to shoot in particular circumstances. However, the police will wish to be satisfied as part of “good reason†that the land nominated is not clearly unsuitable for the types of firearms to be used. The land inspection is intended only as part of the process of verifying that a “good reason†exists. It should not normally be extended to other areas of land on which the applicant intends to shoot unless there is to be a condition restricting a new shooter to specified land only. An inspection, where it is required, may provide a good opportunity to confirm that the applicant understands the characteristics of the land and the best places to shoot safely on it. The applicant’s knowledge of safe shooting is also very important and they should therefore, where possible, be present when the inspection takes place. This will give applicants the opportunity to confirm that they are aware of any potential hazards and know that no shot must ever be fired from a rifle unless there is a safe backstop. Some of the issues that the police will need to consider in relation to all the circumstances of the specific application are a) Presence of rights of way, public roads and footpaths and their frequency of use; Proximity of dwellings; c) Suitable backstops relevant to the firearm to be used (not so important with a shot gun unless using section 1 ammunition); d) General topography of the land; and e) Presence of any quarry species on the land (see paragraph 13.13 for guidance). 13.12 It should not be difficult for the certificate holder whose certificate is to be conditioned to allow shooting only on land approved by the chief officer of police, and with whom the responsibility lies, to establish whether an area of land has been approved for their type and calibre of firearm without consulting the local police. In most cases it is likely that the landowner, tenant or agent will be able to provide confirmation. It should only be necessary for the certificate holder to check with the police in a minority of cases and it is expected that in only a small number of those will it be necessary to inspect the land. 13.13 When land inspections are required, the knowledge of local shooters, stalkers, gamekeepers etc. may be drawn upon. This is particularly important in cases of doubt. Decisions to refuse approval on public safety grounds should not be based on the assessment of a police officer with little or no experience in such matters and the views of those experienced in the field use of firearms should be sought before final decisions are made. Edited February 12, 2008 by kip270 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAULT Posted February 12, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 (edited) at present i only got .22lr plus another slot for another .22lr thanx i shoot on a farm that was cleared for centrefire .223 then a young copper who didnt know his a--e from his elbow who shot his friends 10/22 once decided he was an expert and declassified the ground back to .22lr the farm next door is covered for centrefire and is a quarter of the size thanx again my fac is for vermin control Edited February 12, 2008 by PAULT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 is there any particular reason you want the restriction lifted please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAULT Posted February 12, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 i get permission to shoot on ground that is not cleared but safe to shoot on but this restriction is messing things up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browning Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 i get permission to shoot on ground that is not cleared but safe to shoot on but this restriction is messing things up So why don't you ask them to clear this piece of ground? Then try to organise the clearance day when it's p**ssing down, then insist on walking every square foot of the ground and pointing out where your safe/unsafe shooting positions are. Then do the same with another piece of ground. One wet and muddy clearing officer = easy unrestricted ticket. Believe me it works! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 LOL Browning! Seems like you have a rough deal in Gwent. Harsh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 Fair play yor force are a bunch of t0$$er$ aren't they! That sounds really unfair to me. Get on to the BASC, nothing ventured nothing gained so they say! Good luck, I hope you get what you're after in the end Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAULT Posted February 12, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 thank you all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 i get permission to shoot on ground that is not cleared but safe to shoot on but this restriction is messing things up thats all you need to put in your letter mate. you have a good reason. end of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choke it Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 gwent are a nightmare especially if you get LP i had loads of hassle off him in the start tryed to make me jump through hoops but i changed to LW who is much better and he's fair but at one stage i had to get onto the NGO to sort it out so my advice is to go to basc if your a member and let them sort it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAULT Posted February 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 lp came to see me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taffygun Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 (edited) gwent are a nightmare especially if you get LP i had loads of hassle off him in the start tryed to make me jump through hoops but i changed to LW who is much better and he's fair but at one stage i had to get onto the NGO to sort it out so my advice is to go to basc if your a member and let them sort it The same fella came to see a mate of mine and done the very same thing.... end result amounted to 9 months mentoring on a 22LR but that was because my mate went to BASC and that just made him dig his heels in. I have LW and he's been great with me, although I asked for open cert on FAC air and he turned me down but allowed a .222 for field use :good: some things don't make sense Edited February 13, 2008 by taffygun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAULT Posted February 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 he cut me down on the amount of guns i wanted also the amount of ammo visited my house three times no wonder i got high blood pressure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choke it Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 i doubt it was because he went to basc he is just a p***k he tryed mentoring with me and i told he no way and i wouldn't budge. i am a part time gamekeeper/deerstalker so i had good reason for a deer cal he thinks because he had to get his fac the long way everyone else as to me and him have had a few words over the years so i will stick with LW who can be a bit of touch and go sometimes but stick in there mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAULT Posted February 14, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 ive wrote a letter going to send it this weekend hope for the best got back in touch with old friend going mid wales next week after foxes plenty up there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kip270 Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 (edited) gwent are a nightmare especially if you get LP i had loads of hassle off him in the start tryed to make me jump through hoops but i changed to LW who is much better and he's fair but at one stage i had to get onto the NGO to sort it out so my advice is to go to basc if your a member and let them sort it gwent are a nightmare especially if you get LP i had loads of hassle off him in the start tryed to make me jump through hoops but i changed to LW who is much better and he's fair but at one stage i had to get onto the NGO to sort it out so my advice is to go to basc if your a member and let them sort it The same fella came to see a mate of mine and done the very same thing.... end result amounted to 9 months mentoring on a 22LR but that was because my mate went to BASC and that just made him dig his heels in. I have LW and he's been great with me, although I asked for open cert on FAC air and he turned me down but allowed a .222 for field use :lol: some things don't make sense mmmmm A pattern emerging here then. They are really trying to make things harder for me too, but they haven't got a cat in hell's chance, i'm not putting up with any of their made up/ their interpretation of the firearms act It's there in black & white for us and them, we abide by the rules and so should they. LW is a great guy to deal with, LP on the other hand and the head of the team, she think's she can make up the rules as they go along Sent them a letter and have stated that they have 7 days to reply as it's been going on for a few month's, then it's time to call in the BASC Edited February 14, 2008 by kip270 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatingisbest Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 Sounds like you guys from gwent would have less hassle moving to another county! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 why are they so bad over there,no probs where i am. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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