iraq sniper Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 i am after some advise please have sgc and about 50 acres to shoot vermin but my shotty makes to much noise so am going to apply for sec 1 but i am not sure what to apply for . As it cost money to get differant variations on a license i want to maximise the number of differant calibres i can get with suppressors. I am not clued up on all the differant calibres so can someone please point me in the right direction so i can gain all the variants on my first application. The land i shoot on has foxes, rabbits, pigeons. rats, pheasants, duck and crows and deer. I have put down what i think i need but i am no expert and have only been forunate to use a colleges cz.22 and cz.177hmr which i really enjoyed Shotgun (5 carts) (Rabbits, pigeons, crows pheasants duck) Air rifle (over 12ftLb) (Rats, pigeons, crows pheasants duck) Rifle and suppressor .22 (Rabbits, pigeons, crows pheasants duck) hmr .177 (rabbits) (Rabbits, pigeons, crows pheasants duck) 222 rifle and suppressor (foxes) 223 rifle and suppressor (foxes) 243 rifle and suppressor (foxes) If anyone can see that i am way of the mark or need to add any other calibres can you please tell me. Many thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perfect Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 i would just go for a .17hmr ann .22lr for now, do not think you will get anything bigger on first application but i suppose you can put it on anyway, they can only say no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harv Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 i am after some advise please have sgc and about 50 acres to shoot vermin but my shotty makes to much noise so am going to apply for sec 1 but i am not sure what to apply for . As it cost money to get differant variations on a license i want to maximise the number of differant calibres i can get with suppressors. I am not clued up on all the differant calibres so can someone please point me in the right direction so i can gain all the variants on my first application. The land i shoot on has foxes, rabbits, pigeons. rats, pheasants, duck and crows and deer. I have put down what i think i need but i am no expert and have only been forunate to use a colleges cz.22 and cz.177hmr which i really enjoyed Shotgun (5 carts) (Rabbits, pigeons, crows pheasants duck) Air rifle (over 12ftLb) (Rats, pigeons, crows pheasants duck) Rifle and suppressor .22 (Rabbits, pigeons, crows pheasants duck) hmr .177 (rabbits) (Rabbits, pigeons, crows pheasants duck) 222 rifle and suppressor (foxes) 223 rifle and suppressor (foxes) 243 rifle and suppressor (foxes) If anyone can see that i am way of the mark or need to add any other calibres can you please tell me. Many thanks i wouldnt put 5 shotgun but multishot .17 hmr not .177 and just .243 in centrfire that will cover up to deer. you wont get all 3 for foxes!!! i woud only put the rimfires down for vermin not ducks and pheasants!!! rgds harv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 You will struggle to get that lot on only 50 acres and a first application. Slowly slowly catchy monkey. Start with .22RF (vermin) and .223CF (fox). If you need more, stick a variation in in 6 months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferret Master Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 Pheasants and duck with an air rifle, rimfire and FAC shotgun. Expect some flack my friend. FM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iraq sniper Posted July 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 thats why i put i am not an expert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 tear the application up, do some reading, have a think , then start again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 Whilst I appreciate that we all had to start somewhere and had to seek help and guidance from our peers I become more and more amazed by the most ridiculous basic questions that some people new to our sport ask. Now please don't think that I am being offish and getting at you but as a shotgun certificate holder and therefore keen as mustard on this sport, surely you must have visited a gun shop, read the sporting magazines and the posts on this site. Having done so you must have gained some insight into the laws regarding quarry and a very basic understanding of rifle calibers. When applications for FAC's are made by people with no common sense and no knowledge of even the basics no wonder the police are starting to require competence certificates and mentors and other such nonsense.............. I really despair. My advice.............For the next 6 months, buy every shooting magazine you can lay your hands on, pester your local gunshop, spend your evenings searching the Internet and read every post ever made on this site. You should also read and digest the Home Office Guidelines to the Police regarding the issuing of FAC's. Once you have done this ask your question again and believe me your time will not have been wasted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codling99 Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 .22 rf for rabbits,3 shot 12g for birds, 243 for deer and fox,all youll need. if you cant hit them with 3 shot ,give up lol,and you will be lucky to get everything you apply for ,id go for 22 rimmie to start or 17 rimmie,and then try for centrefire when you ve had more experience.and i wouldnt mention ducks or pheasants on application,stick to ground vermin and crows and pigeons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 Whilst I appreciate that we all had to start somewhere and had to seek help and guidance from our peers I become more and more amazed by the most ridiculous basic questions that some people new to our sport ask. Now please don't think that I am being offish and getting at you but as a shotgun certificate holder and therefore keen as mustard on this sport, surely you must have visited a gun shop, read the sporting magazines and the posts on this site. Having done so you must have gained some insight into the laws regarding quarry and a very basic understanding of rifle calibers. When applications for FAC's are made by people with no common sense and no knowledge of even the basics no wonder the police are starting to require competence certificates and mentors and other such nonsense.............. I really despair. My advice.............For the next 6 months, buy every shooting magazine you can lay your hands on, pester your local gunshop, spend your evenings searching the Internet and read every post ever made on this site. You should also read and digest the Home Office Guidelines to the Police regarding the issuing of FAC's. Once you have done this ask your question again and believe me your time will not have been wasted. The man has a point, and that is a very long list for a first application. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el-chimbo Posted July 5, 2008 Report Share Posted July 5, 2008 Apart from deer, theres nothing you can't kill on your list without a 12g/.410 and a good airgun, ok maybe you could try a hushpower if the noise is an issue.. As above, FLO would probably take a dim view on you asking for such an arsenal first time.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurcherboy Posted July 5, 2008 Report Share Posted July 5, 2008 i am after some advise please have sgc and about 50 acres to shoot vermin but my shotty makes to much noise so am going to apply for sec 1 but i am not sure what to apply for . As it cost money to get differant variations on a license i want to maximise the number of differant calibres i can get with suppressors. I am not clued up on all the differant calibres so can someone please point me in the right direction so i can gain all the variants on my first application. The land i shoot on has foxes, rabbits, pigeons. rats, pheasants, duck and crows and deer. I have put down what i think i need but i am no expert and have only been forunate to use a colleges cz.22 and cz.177hmr which i really enjoyed Shotgun (5 carts) (Rabbits, pigeons, crows pheasants duck) Air rifle (over 12ftLb) (Rats, pigeons, crows pheasants duck) Rifle and suppressor .22 (Rabbits, pigeons, crows pheasants duck) hmr .177 (rabbits) (Rabbits, pigeons, crows pheasants duck) 222 rifle and suppressor (foxes) 223 rifle and suppressor (foxes) 243 rifle and suppressor (foxes) If anyone can see that i am way of the mark or need to add any other calibres can you please tell me. Many thanks I applied for 5 slots. FEO went round the house, checked security, checked cabinet, got bitten by nervous dog, and told me to **** off as there was no way I would have five calibres. Dropped 3 and settled on 17hmr and 7.62. What ever you are after calibre wise I think you ought to tell him why, IMHO. LB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starlight32 Posted July 5, 2008 Report Share Posted July 5, 2008 tear the application up, do some reading, have a think , then start again. Yes totally agree. 50 acres in the firearms world is absolutely naff all. .22 lr is about all you will get and with out knowing the geographical layout of the land is naff all for a centrefire either........ Don't think they will play ball with FAC shotgun as there is simply not enough good reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted July 5, 2008 Report Share Posted July 5, 2008 CharlieT's advice is spot-on - you will get nowhere with the FEO without demonstrating a much greater understanding of the law, and a genuine need. Out of curiosity though, why a .222, a .223 and a .243? Why not just ditch the first two? What can a .222 and a .223 do that a .243 can't do?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob300w Posted July 5, 2008 Report Share Posted July 5, 2008 Whilst I appreciate that we all had to start somewhere and had to seek help and guidance from our peers I become more and more amazed by the most ridiculous basic questions that some people new to our sport ask. Now please don't think that I am being offish and getting at you but as a shotgun certificate holder and therefore keen as mustard on this sport, surely you must have visited a gun shop, read the sporting magazines and the posts on this site. Having done so you must have gained some insight into the laws regarding quarry and a very basic understanding of rifle calibers. When applications for FAC's are made by people with no common sense and no knowledge of even the basics no wonder the police are starting to require competence certificates and mentors and other such nonsense.............. I really despair. My advice.............For the next 6 months, buy every shooting magazine you can lay your hands on, pester your local gunshop, spend your evenings searching the Internet and read every post ever made on this site. You should also read and digest the Home Office Guidelines to the Police regarding the issuing of FAC's. Once you have done this ask your question again and believe me your time will not have been wasted. Yep, agree 100%, as Baldrick says, sound advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iraq sniper Posted July 5, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 5, 2008 CharlieT's advice is spot-on - you will get nowhere with the FEO without demonstrating a much greater understanding of the law, and a genuine need. Out of curiosity though, why a .222, a .223 and a .243? Why not just ditch the first two? What can a .222 and a .223 do that a .243 can't do?! sorry gents after reading all of your comments it now semms clear thet i should start off with the basics ie a .22 and.17hmr and get some ring time in before i start to try and get something in the region of 222, 223 etc. Ref baldrick i was just thinking along the lines that if i ask for everything on my fac and get it i would save myself money and be able to pick and choose what i wanted at my leisure not have to wait for firearms licensing to upgrade me for differant variants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted July 5, 2008 Report Share Posted July 5, 2008 The cost-saving issue won't wash with Plod, and you won't get everything on your intended application. Bearing in mind your lack of experience, the Police will seek to limit the amount of firearms you hold to what is strictly necessary for the 'good reasons' you will hopefully give. You are much better, as you say, just sticking with the .22LR and the .17 HMR, for which 50 acres might be deemed suitable. Putting the rimfires aside, my point was that the Plod would probably seek to limit you to one deer- and fox-capable centrefire (i.e the .243) instead of granting you three centrefires. From a purely practical point of view, having one or two rifles that you shoot regularly is going to be sensible than having a larger collection where some rifles rarely get used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iraq sniper Posted July 5, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 5, 2008 The cost-saving issue won't wash with Plod, and you won't get everything on your intended application. Bearing in mind your lack of experience, the Police will seek to limit the amount of firearms you hold to what is strictly necessary for the 'good reasons' you will hopefully give. You are much better, as you say, just sticking with the .22LR and the .17 HMR, for which 50 acres might be deemed suitable. Putting the rimfires aside, my point was that the Plod would probably seek to limit you to one deer- and fox-capable centrefire (i.e the .243) instead of granting you three centrefires. From a purely practical point of view, having one or two rifles that you shoot regularly is going to be sensible than having a larger collection where some rifles rarely get used. point taken mate hindsight is a wonderful virtue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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