flash Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 as of late there seems to be alot of play in the clutch before it actually bites(u can feel the clutch ingaging). can anyone diagnose this problem for me. it is in a defender 300tdi. cheers flash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 Go to a steep hill. Ascend in too high a gear. If clutch is on its way out - engine speed will rise, but car will slow down, not stall. You will literally hear the clutch slipping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubix Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 Put it in 1st and let the clutch up without any throttle - it should stall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flash Posted July 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 is there a simpler way of doing it,all the steel hills around here are really windy back lanes lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flash Posted July 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 it still pulls away in tick over fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 so basically you have a lot of pedal travel before it bites/engages? If so it is a sign of wear and you may be able to adjust it so it engages earlier but I haven't played with a landrover so don't know you'd need to look for an adjuster on the end of the clutch cable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flash Posted July 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 thats exactly what im saying. wherer would the adjuster be, clutch end or pedal end. cheers flash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJN Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 it still pulls away in tick over fine. of course it does after all it's a tdi 300 Unless you feel the clutch is slipping then it isn't, best bet is to visit the LR BBS http://www.british-cars.co.uk/cgi-bin/gen5?runprog=lrbbs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dusk2dawn Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 Go to a steep hill. Ascend in too high a gear. If clutch is on its way out - engine speed will rise, but car will slow down, not stall. You will literally hear the clutch slipping. A better test is to be on level ground and have the handbrake full on, with just a few more revs than usual try to pull away, the clutch may slip a little, but enough for you to hear it before the engine stalls, or the engine will stall immediately which indicates the clutch is not slipping and is fine. But dont make a habit of doing it though as it puts strain on the uj,s. Lb is your man for detailed questions, he knows his stuff and will be able to give you the low down without the faffing. D2D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 usually clutch end if there is one but my fourtrak had a very basic one where the cable went through the bulk head. Look for a threaded rod on the lever on the side of the gearbox would be my inkling or wait for LB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubix Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 Is the clutch actually all cable operated? all the old rovers I ahve had its been hydraulic, with a cable going from pedal to master cylinder with pipe from the to slave on g/box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wy111 Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 All Landrovers have a hydraulic clutch, but I am not sure if the defender has any adjustment betwen the clutch pedal and master cylinder. When you pump the clutch pedal, does it bite earlier? It is recommended to change the fluid every so often, it can be a surprising (and cheapest) fix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flash Posted July 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 was told by a mate i have a ******** master cylinder, as there is oil leaking from the clutch pedal onto the footwell mat. could this be the problem. cheers flash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J@mes Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 put it in 5th while doing 30mph and plant the throttle to the floor. see what happens. if the revs rise much more than the speed picks up, the clutch is shagged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 from what I've heard you ought to know Jim do landrovers do anything in 5th at 30 mph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubix Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 was told by a mate i have a ******** master cylinder, as there is oil leaking from the clutch pedal onto the footwell mat.could this be the problem. cheers flash Yes. That could be it. Your friction plate is fine if its not slipping once its down. There's just barely enough hydraulic pressure to disengage it, before long you wont be able to disengage it enough to get it inot gear. When you change it remember that clutch fluid is the best paint stripper in the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wy111 Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 Now you've given more info, master cylinder at fault or pipes adjacent. You don't have to replace cylinder, just replace the seals on the piston, available from Paddocks, unless the bore is damaged due to dirty oil. Not a hard job to do, just fiddly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flash Posted July 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 i need the defender for sunday as im going for a day playing in the defender, so im gonna get it done by the garage in our village. think ill just get the whole cylinder replaced rather then just the seals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziplex Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 I hope your fix works out cheaper than mine will flash, car going in tomorrow for new clutch and damn dual mass flywheel, £1450 ........and, yes, i'd tryed everywhere to better that price, that was pitting one vauxhall dealer against others in the end. Oh what I could've bought with that!, i'm trying not to think about it until I have to enter my pin no. into the little machine, hopefully i'll be able to stifle any audible sobbing noises. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flash Posted July 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 christ thats steep, and i bet thats 95% labour as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziplex Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 christ thats steep, and i bet thats 95% labour as well. parts are approx £1000, the rest labour.........apparently 6.5 hrs work but it has to be done i'm afraid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerdeor Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 Just as a point of interest L UK the clutch people now do a solid flywheel conversion for most models of car i would give your local motor factors a ring by which i dont mean the motorist centre If the do a solid flywheel then get it fitted over the ddf unit i have fitted a fair few with no noticable difference to car good luck jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziplex Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 Just as a point of interest L UK the clutch people now do a solid flywheel conversion for most models of car i would give your local motor factors a ring by which i dont mean the motorist centre If the do a solid flywheel then get it fitted over the ddf unit i have fitted a fair few with no noticable difference to car good luck jim seems not so for my car tho' jim..........i've read about loads of problems with these dual mass jobbies, still perhaps they'll be available if I still have the car in another 50 odd thousand miles! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerdeor Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 pm me your vehicle reg and ill have a ring round tomorrow for you jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunganick Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 When the clutch went on my car you could pull away fine, also if its a diesel you should be able to full away on the clutch alone. My clutch would slip when doing about 50 with the engine in the torque band, floor it and the revs would rise up and then slowly go down again as the car caught up and the clutch stopped slipping. Sounds like you dropped the clutch for half a second. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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