mr lee Posted September 9, 2008 Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 My shooting partners father in law has been taken seriously ill recently to the point of them being called in to sit with him for 'his last night' a week or so ago. Fortunately he pulled through. He has been operated on and is slowly making a recovery but, There's always a but...He doesn't know where he is or recognise anybody at all. Some form of amnesia. The hospital cannot say for certain wether it will pass or not yet. The big problem now is the fact he has 96 guns on his licence, Mostly collectors items and military ones I believe at his home address along with ammo for quite a lot of it. Over the years he has collected some rare and impressive stock. My mate and me started to have concerns that the local police may just revoke his licence with him having major health issues and amnesia. Were not too sure where to start with it all so he either A, doesn't lose them all to the police or B, how we sort out getting them to his local RFD who he is good friends with without him losing out finacially. My mate has been led to believe he can apply for a temporary licence to transport them or store them for him until his health improves but I can't see this happening due to the sheer amount. As I said, we don't really want to go to the police straight away without knowing our options incase they come in all heavy handed and remove them. Just wondered what your thoughts were on how to deal with this all. Would you just stay quiet and hope he recovers or go behind his backand have them stored with an RFD for safety? If we have them stored and he recovers fully he may well get quite cheesed off with us doing it behind his back. There again, we don't want him to lose them all either if we do nothing. In his current state of confused and probably scared mind he probably doesn't even know where the keys are let alone know he owns the rifles. We genuinly don't want to offend his wife or him but don't know how to proceed with it all. What would you do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SA1Gunner Posted September 9, 2008 Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 Someone maybe along with more ideas but you could always talk to BASC and ask for advice. Good Luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr lee Posted September 9, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 Someone maybe along with more ideas but you could always talk to BASC and ask for advice. Good Luck.Whilst I am a member, the chap in question isn't. So not so sure they would be willing to help. A call won't harm though I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev 1 Posted September 9, 2008 Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 Thats a good shout Good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mendevelium Posted September 9, 2008 Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 I'm sorry to hear of this difficult situation! I think that if he is in control of his mind so to speak; then there is no reason for him not to keep his guns. As long as he safe with firearms (hopefully amnesia should not affect his safetly) then he is still a legal shooter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr lee Posted September 9, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 I'm sorry to hear of this difficult situation!I think that if he is in control of his mind so to speak; then there is no reason for him not to keep his guns. As long as he safe with firearms (hopefully amnesia should not affect his safetly) then he is still a legal shooter. Thanks for your thoughts mendevelium. He is a massively safe firearms holder under normal circumstances. Like you said though, we too do not know if this 'amnesia' will affect him in any way. Were in unknown waters on this one hence my initial thoughts to ask you guys what you would do in similar circumstances if they ever presented themselves. (which I seriously hope they never do.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nial Posted September 9, 2008 Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 Would you just stay quiet and hope he recovers or go behind his backand have them stored with an RFD for safety? If we have them stored and he recovers fully he may well get quite cheesed off with us doing it behind his back. There again, we don't want him to lose them all either if we do nothing. If he does recover fully he'll realise that you did this for his sake and should be grateful. I'd have thought. Nial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevitree Posted September 10, 2008 Report Share Posted September 10, 2008 This is a sad story, I hope he gets all the help he needs When the FLO came around to my home when I applied for my SGC. FLO said they will not destroy guns that have been legitamally held. If for any reason the SGC/FAC holder becomes unwell for a period of time and there is a risk. Then contact FLO and they will indefintly hold for safe keeping. I would contact FLO, but remember only the registered keeper should have access to these. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted September 10, 2008 Report Share Posted September 10, 2008 96 guns on his ticket is a lot, what kind of guns are they? as unless a number are inoperative I would have thought it unlikely they would let you hold them in a residential address without mega security usually more than 10 causes a problem as does the size of safe needed to keep them all in. As for advice you have two options you could explore, you eiter have to enquire about getting them signed onto a temporary ticket, or find a gun shop who will store them as then they will be effectively signed over to them. Personally I'd sit back a little and see how his health improves if the amnesia stays and he is in a bad way and not recovering then you will have to explore options with his FEO. Obviously you aren't meant to have access to them but they are sympathetic in this sort of situation and after bereavement etc when people have to deal with someone elses guns. Fundamentally you have to decide if its worth keeping the collection together or whether to sell off all or part of it in which case you are best going through a gun dealer with the FEO advising you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEINVISIBLESCARECROW Posted September 10, 2008 Report Share Posted September 10, 2008 In death a tempory permit is granted for a short time to sell any guns. Available from the local station. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr lee Posted October 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 A sad update. My mates father in law passed away in his sleep at the weekend. He had started to make a recovery and was moved to a general ward then back home for a few days. He then got a chest infection and was taken back in. This progressivley got worse and as I said, he lost his fight. His local RFD who knew him very well and helped him source many of his collection of antique and military rifles is collecting them this week. This collection took him years and years to build with some rare items being held. His ammunition stocks are being handed/split between my mate, a few of his other friends who shoot and myself. Any excess will be bought back by the RFD. David was a very passionate man about a sport he dearly loved and had a lot of time invested in it. He would help anybody he could in any way he could wether it be advice or the loan of a shotgun for a weekend etc. He was a great family man having 2 daughters and 3 grandchildren. One of which has just been born and he never got to see him. Sad times. RIP David, you will be sorely missed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJaxeman Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 Sorry to here of your loss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p@cman Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 Sorry to hear that. Condolences mr lee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triscrx Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 Sorry to see this. Thoughts go out to him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psyxologos Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 God rest his soul. It is indeed sad. His friends can keep his legacy going by maintaining his collection. Seek advice from the RFD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 Sad to hear he lost his fight. I hope you're all bearing up alright. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devon Fox Posted October 15, 2008 Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 So sorry to read this, best wishes to the family. Couldnt his wife have applied for a permit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr lee Posted October 15, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 Thanks for the condolences guys. His wife isn't interested in shooting tbh. there is one piece which she is hoping can be made safe and mounted in some way. It is an antique pistol she bought for him for their wedding anniversary. Fingers crossed it can be done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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