Mungler Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 (edited) Martin, I think David was suggesting that the cries that BASC are being mean to SACS is a distraction from the original question about what is exactly going on in SACS. I can remember the eary BASC bashing and it was unpleasant. As for being mean, well it may well be that the boot is on the other foot and "they don't like it up 'em". Sowing and reaping. EDIT: memory jog here: http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/ind...c=69389&hl= and http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/ind...c=71133&hl= and http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/ind...c=70819&hl= and http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/ind...c=70468&hl= Edited December 10, 2008 by Mungler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirusman Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 David in an earlier post you asked if any SACS member had emailed or spoken to Ian Clarke i told youi had done so,i have just checked my email records and i sent an email to BASC on the 21st Novermber asking for clarification of some figures.I have to dat not had the courtesy on an answer who was it said silence is deafening :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 That's pretty desperate :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 (edited) Let me know who you e-mailed, and what about I will chase it up. Of course you jump to the conclusion that it has not been sent, not that it has been sent but not arrived..... David Edited December 10, 2008 by David BASC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 (edited) I can remember the eary BASC bashing and it was unpleasant. As for being mean, well it may well be that the boot is on the other foot and "they don't like it up 'em". Sowing and reaping. I remember that too, and it was pretty ugly and thoroughly hubristic. I dont agree with 100% of what David BASC says 100% of the time, but IMHO he has been a proper professional throughout this. Well done :( (and before anyone says, no, I'm not BASC) Anyway... Edited December 10, 2008 by Zapp Brannigan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Potter Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 if it looks like a fish, and swims like a fish, it aint a frog. They a company. The main aim of all these organisations, associations, ect..ect.. is to sell membership. How many times does it need to be repeated. Nobody, as an individual or combined into an association, can promote and lobby to keep the sport, way of life whatever you want to call it, that everyone on this forum loves, follows, enjoys ect, without MONEY. There are a few ways of raising the MONEY required to do this, wait around for a mega rich philanthropist, rob banks, bet on the horses or the lottery but the usual, and some might say the sensible way, is by subscription from the people who want to keep the way of life described above. These people, called members, are in fact subsidizing the people who want to go on enjoying their sport but don't pay into the "fighting fund". So, are we agreed, selling memberships raises the MONEY required to defend the said members sport. Again repeating what has been done to death already, BASC is a non profit making organization. That doesn't mean to say the annual balance sheet (available to anybody) doesn't show a surplus at the end of the year but that's money available to fight the good fight in the future. Finally, where is all this money that BASC are supposed to be making, where are the Bentleys, the Lear Jets, the Yachts etc. They don't bloody exist, the assets needed to fight for our cause are people skillful, expensive (you don't get a Purdey for Baikel money!) people and the infrastructure (buildings, computers, cars, phones, etc, etc) to support them. Funny things people, they won't work for nothing or of the ones that do the majority are rubbish. Rant over, I should feel better now or I will after a lie down. Mr Potter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 It would seem that Ian had replied to at least one of his members. Sirusman, but this is confidential - OK that is fair enough. But there are several SACS members on the forum, has Ian written or e-mailed them to calm things down? If that is so, then fine, but looking at the old SACS forum there were many members who were unhappy. As I have said before, I know from bitter experience how a lack of communication can cause big problems, as it did with BASC 7ish years ago. In the case of BASC we admitted things went wrong, came up with a solution, implemented it, made these implementations clear at AGM and since then to be honest we have been a stronger, leaner and more effective organisation. As a friend of mine said to me today – ‘if it harms us but does not kill us, we tend to be stronger for it’ David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirusman Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 It would seem that Ian had replied to at least one of his members. Sirusman, but this is confidential - OK that is fair enough. But there are several SACS members on the forum, has Ian written or e-mailed them to calm things down? If that is so, then fine, but looking at the old SACS forum there were many members who were unhappy. As I have said before, I know from bitter experience how a lack of communication can cause big problems, as it did with BASC 7ish years ago. In the case of BASC we admitted things went wrong, came up with a solution, implemented it, made these implementations clear at AGM and since then to be honest we have been a stronger, leaner and more effective organisation. As a friend of mine said to me today – ‘if it harms us but does not kill us, we tend to be stronger for it’ David They could always email Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 Ian Clark Joined: 19-November 07 Profile Views: 15* Last Seen: Yesterday, 09:33 AM Local Time: Dec 10 2008, 05:15 PM 10 posts (0.03 per day) Tumbleweed moment..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirusman Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 Ian ClarkJoined: 19-November 07 Profile Views: 15* Last Seen: Yesterday, 09:33 AM Local Time: Dec 10 2008, 05:15 PM 10 posts (0.03 per day) Tumbleweed moment..... Why is that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 Why is that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustyfox Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 Come on people how retarded is this. When the thread against BASC was up, Pro BASC people were saying that non Members cannot have a say??? Well vice versa your not a member of SACS so why comment on SACS issues if thats the way you want it!! I just hate **** stirrers. If its between Ian and Foxgun tom let them fight it out themselves. You only heard one side of the story coming from Foxgun Tom, there could be alot more to it and Ian does not have to say his side of the story. To me Foxgun Tom has done wrong by making this thing public, why didnt he go through the proper way? Afterall he said he was a volunteer, he could of just dropped his stuff and go, but no he didnt, he has made things tits-up and dug a whole for himself which he cant get out of. Im sorry but im wound up why is BASC members commenting on an issues between Ian Clarke and Foxgun Tom I have no idea why you's are. Like BASC has never had disputes like this, you just never here about them because you dont get idiots posting them up on public forums yet. df Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willow32 Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 I tell you what ...........I hope both lots will fight and put as much effort against any new legislation..........as we do fighting amongst ourselves Willow32 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 Nothing new has happened, I am calling time on this one as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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