fallowbuck Posted February 15, 2009 Report Share Posted February 15, 2009 (edited) I have a very handsome bold Labrador he is 4yrs old and a very good worker.As my other dog(his mother ) is getting on a bit , I would like a new pup to train so offering a " Free stud" for pick of litter bitch puppy. Dog is K.C. REG and has all his papers. I am located in South Wales. P.S. I am also offering a mating for a stud fee, please P.M. if interested.Thankyou. Edited February 15, 2009 by fallowbuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobby dazzler Posted February 15, 2009 Report Share Posted February 15, 2009 pm sent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GJUK Posted February 15, 2009 Report Share Posted February 15, 2009 Can't beat a bit of cheap 'back yard' breeding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fallowbuck Posted February 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2009 Exactly what do you mean by that comment ? I am offering a very good working dog for stud, I am not a puppy farm! So whats your problem M8??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyb Posted February 15, 2009 Report Share Posted February 15, 2009 Can't beat a bit of cheap 'back yard' breeding. Shouldn't you check with your FEO before posting comments like that ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fallowbuck Posted February 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2009 Yes , fortunately the great majority here are even handed folk!There's always exceptions though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinois Posted February 15, 2009 Report Share Posted February 15, 2009 Hi, what is his hip score? Does he have a current eye certificate? Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fallowbuck Posted February 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2009 Hi I,m afraid I haven't done either of those things.The dog comes from a good working bloodline and I believe the parents were both certificated. I do know his mother has no problems, as I have owned her and him from birth and worked them quite hard.I am digging out the pedigree to email someone else so can do that if you wish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted February 15, 2009 Report Share Posted February 15, 2009 Hi, what is his hip score? Does he have a current eye certificate? Ian How important is it from working stock? Both mine are workers and spot on but no hip/eye scores. The problem arises from show stock. Fallowbuck, if Meg hadn't just had a litter I'd have gone for it. Unfortunately Max got at her when noone was looking. 9 of the little darlings and will all be really big beasties. A Best of luck with it. And for the ***** before you comment, both are KC registered with superb pedigrees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fallowbuck Posted February 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2009 God Lord 9! Thats a good litter, hope they do well and you find good(hopefully working) homes for them! Purdey, Merlyns mother , only got to 6! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WGD Posted February 15, 2009 Report Share Posted February 15, 2009 How important is it from working stock? Both mine are workers and spot on but no hip/eye scores. The problem arises from show stock. Sorry mate but you're wrong regards show stock, working lines are just as susceptible to hip dysplacia and eye problems as dogs bred from show champions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fallowbuck Posted February 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2009 Well as I said my "Bitch" is going on 10 (NOT THE WIFE! ) and she has had no probs, the dog is 4 and he is fine! The hip score for the bitches sire as stated on the pedigree is 7/6. Hope this helps! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GJUK Posted February 15, 2009 Report Share Posted February 15, 2009 Sorry mate but you're wrong regards show stock, working lines are just as susceptible to hip dysplacia and eye problems as dogs bred from show champions. Ner it'll be alright. Lob any two dogs toegether and hey presto. You always get 100% healthy pups if you do this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fallowbuck Posted February 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2009 Seems to me you have some sort of vested interest? Are you a dog breeder? all I'm doing is trying to get a pup out of a PROVEN working dog. There Diddums! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 Must say that's a lovely lab. He looks just like mine. I had mine father a litter with the farmer's lab and we got three lovely pups on her first litter. Just thought I might share that with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GJUK Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 Seems to me you have some sort of vested interest? Are you a dog breeder? all I'm doing is trying to get a pup out of a PROVEN working dog. There Diddums! Yes. don't be a cheapskate. If you love dogs, you should buy them from a proper breeder. Backyard breeding does nothing for any breed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyb Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 Breed many dogs yourself do you GJUK ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fallowbuck Posted February 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 Yes. don't be a cheapskate. If you love dogs, you should buy them from a proper breeder. Backyard breeding does nothing for any breed. Actually I wouldn't breed them in the backyard, I have my little areas I like to take them, much more romantic for them! As for people using their own proven working dogs to breed I think its a great idea as its the commercial breeders who have ****** things up by interbreeding and yes dare I say "Incestuous"practices with dams and their offspring.I would never breed dam to son, sire to daughter etc, something thats common practise amongst many breeders, hence all the physiological and even mental problems! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Billy. Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 Yes. don't be a cheapskate. If you love dogs, you should buy them from a proper breeder. Backyard breeding does nothing for any breed. What an utter load of bull you speak. Just like when you said the other day in a thread about staffies attacking kids: "It's amazing how you hardly ever see 'bull' breed dogs with issues. When will people learn to respect dogs and ******* look after their children." It's funny what you can get as a 'backyard' bred dog, as mine, which in your books would be 'backyard' has a pedigree certificate that goes back numerous generations, full of field and show champions. Funnily enough, his dad won best puppy in show at Crufts, so I guess it's quite lucky I found him floating about in the back pages of a magazine then. I'm certain you've managed to **** off the dog section of this forum now too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinois Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 Hi, I am a dog breeder, I breed working cockers and Belgian Malinois on behalf of several UK police forces. "Backyard breeding" as it is termed does produce some good dogs. However, it is all well and good offering your dog around at stud, but where does the buck stop if it all goes wrong? Your dog provides the sperm then the real breeder does all the hard work and in a few years time when people start calling the owner of that bitch with puppies that have genetically inherited faults then who takes all the flak? I am sure you will produce some good dogs, but to find Labrador puppies that are still for sale and getting cheaper and cheaper as the weeks tick by from full working lines with eye and hip certs just check out any shooting mag or even some of the websites that advertise puppies. Up until the credit crunch, if my pups were not all spoken for by the police they would all be sold prior to them leaving at 7-8 weeks. This is the first time since the foot and mouth crisis that I am left with puppies after the time at which they were meant to leave. I would warn anyone in the current climate to be careful about breeding from their dog. As I say, many of my pups go to the police, but even me who advertises all over the place and have a long standing reputation am having trouble getting people to call and buy my pups. Finally I would avoid show blood at all costs, it tends to be the show breeders who breed for physical rather than mental traits that bring the weaknesses into lines like hip and eye problems. The American insist that all gundogs are tested for all genetic problems associated with that breed and to be honest that is the way I am looking at going. I was shocked to read a post today on a forum from an American dog trainer who had bought a Springer from Badgercourt lines who when he had it tested showed a high prevalence of a genetic eye disorder that links directly back to FTCH Badgercourt Druid. I wish you luck. Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fallowbuck Posted February 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 Thats no surprise to me, over 20 years ago all dogmen in the "Know" were aware of the problem with Badger Court Druids bloodlines, they were nice big solid looking dogs but the defects were rife! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jinxy72 Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 Yes. don't be a cheapskate. If you love dogs, you should buy them from a proper breeder. Backyard breeding does nothing for any breed. sorry GJUK have to disagree to this ...... 'proper breeders' as u put it are those reg with the KC as a breeder ? well the KC is the biggest CON in the uk !!! I come from a family , which over the years , have bred a far few GSD's and were KC reg as a breeder ... many police forces around the uk and various prisons have our dogs ( with great results ) but we had a major fall out with the KC .... they dont do as they advertise !!!!! .... the KC standard ( which is their own making ) isnt kept to by them ... in other words they dont check to see if any pups meet the standard for the said breed ... they dont police it !!!!! many dogs in the uk which are KC reg dont meet the bred standard !!!!! the best GSD pups i have ever seen in my life has come from non-reg breeders but due to the fact that they aint reg .... they cant enter such B@><**** events like crufts or the show ring. simple rule ... if u wanna good dog they ignore the piece of tat (kc reg ) and look at he parents AND the pups. as for the lab ... well... a good looking dog with a working heritage ... what more could u ask for !!!! just for the record .... i know REG BREEDERS in the uk whose dogs dont live past 6 years old !!!!!!! but if u prefer a piece of paper to a good dog then be my guest :yp: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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