Billy. Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 (edited) Got it in one al4x - I can't believe some of the comments from so-called shooters. Talk about being ill-informed........ Yeah, but so called shooters can actually dispatch an animal properly. 4 shots at an animal of that size is a disgrace. I highly disagree with a lot of the videos on that site. They show hunters with no respect for their quarry and some videos show people shooting big game with guns that are not powerful enough to kill the animal cleanly. I wont post the videos on here, but one shows a man shooting shooting 5 bullets (4 hitting) at a giraffe and it was completely fine for the first 3 bullets (about 30 seconds) The other showed a man shooting 4 bullets to kill a bull elephant. First shot in the chest, next one in the hind leg, as it turned. One up its bum and then the final death shot was through the brain. The tour guide congratulated him on a great shot. If you were taken deer stalking and took 4 shots to kill a deer, you'd be told to **** off and never come back. Granted, they need culling. However this should be done by competent people. Edited February 23, 2009 by harfordwmj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootingmagpie Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 I dont realy have any problem with them shooting it but they should do it rite. If i saw rite they shot it the night before sitting in a tree so it should have been 1 clean shot and after that they had 3 more shots before the charge. Thats just not good enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 ok experts, what weapon would you use to guarantee a one shot kill on that kind of animal and could you use it with it running full pelt towards you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootingmagpie Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 I never said i was an expert and never said anything about the running shots. But if they are going to shoot something like that they should know what gun to use. The shot in the tree was not a hard shot with the rite gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 I never said i was an expert and never said anything about the running shots. But if they are going to shoot something like that they should know what gun to use. The shot in the tree was not a hard shot with the rite gun. I agree. It's the person firing the gun that counts. I know I did say above that a guy was shooting a rifle that wasn't powerful enough, obviously I can't justifiably say that, however it looked no bigger than a 30-06. Any (half decent) gun can kill an animal of that size. However in the wrong hands it can be a tool of cruelty. I say leave it to the professionals, not the rich boys who want to do it for fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lefty gunz Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 totally deserves that and more i recon!i dont understand how someone can go out and shoot such a magnificent animal! I guess its a matter of opinion and i know things need culling and can be dangeous but personally that film made my blood boil, shame that cat didnt kill the c^nt!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6shot Posted February 27, 2009 Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 shame the cat didnt chew his gonads off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rapid 17 Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 What a pity the Leopard didn't rip the guy's throat out before it was killed. Geoff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danccooke Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 I am an avid shooter and a Wildlife person, my all time goal would be to see big cats wild. However the video didn't make me steam over like some. I love seeing predatory animals, be it raptors, cats, snakes etc etc. Maybe it is the hunter within that wishes I were that skilled. But I can also see it would be so easy to say aww the cute Kitty Cat. but i never say aw the cute little bunny or aw Bambi's been shot. If they are licensed to cull a certain number they are no different to the deer stalkers. Other than a Deer will run away from you if you cock it up and a big cat will try and take you with it. I think we have to look at it from that view. I don't want to see leopards shot just like many people don't want to see pigeons or rabbits shot. Who are we to complain. Yes the first shot was poor, however the follow up shots... I am not sure how steady I could hold a rifle with a big cat intent on killing ME was running at ME. We've heard of great shots who get stag fever when presented with a fairly easy target, times that by it running at you and going to gore you with it's antler, could you still aim straight? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirnovember Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 Yeah, but so called shooters can actually dispatch an animal properly. 4 shots at an animal of that size is a disgrace. I highly disagree with a lot of the videos on that site. They show hunters with no respect for their quarry and some videos show people shooting big game with guns that are not powerful enough to kill the animal cleanly. I wont post the videos on here, but one shows a man shooting shooting 5 bullets (4 hitting) at a giraffe and it was completely fine for the first 3 bullets (about 30 seconds) The other showed a man shooting 4 bullets to kill a bull elephant. First shot in the chest, next one in the hind leg, as it turned. One up its bum and then the final death shot was through the brain. The tour guide congratulated him on a great shot. If you were taken deer stalking and took 4 shots to kill a deer, you'd be told to **** off and never come back. Granted, they need culling. However this should be done by competent people. I agree with Harford here. You should be competent with a gun before turning it on an animal! Most of these idiots only do it for the "bragging rights"- and are not really bothered by the conservation side of things. I watched a programe once where this American chap was saying that the most important part of the hunt was taking the pictures at the end. Most likely to show his dumb friends when he got home Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digger Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 Unless the camera in the first shot was set to maximum zoom it wasnt the furthest of shots was it? The trophy hunter missed ( we all do ) but wounded the animal. Then some idiot filmed a big girl screaming because he lost his gun and the contents of his bladder and posted it on youtube. Its all about sustainable mangement, I dont think the guides really care as long as they get $$s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Holliday Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 God, that guy makes the whole shooting community look poor - if you're going to be a ''big man'' and shoot things like that, you should at least not squeel like a little girl when you get attacked. I totally agree with the majority on here but Bleeh's comment striked a chord with me the most. The world is full of macho types (mainly of the sphincter genre) who are out to prove their manhood in some way shape or form and then cry for the mothers when they get their butts kicked. I also think the guide is wrong for taking someone of this level of inexperience along. Just because his wallet is fatter then his member shouldn't allow him to shoot "game?". Anyway I thought that, assuming they were properly licensed, they only shot species (predatory or otherwise) that were causing "a nuisance". Seems to me that it's a license for them to make money out of those that obviously have more money than sense. Nature is as Nature does and I like to think that most of us on here understand, accept and respect that. If you don't, then you should look to place your posts elsewhere. I just hate all those "Oh look at me, aren't I the big one" comments tagged on the ends of these videos. It's people who take that approach that's wrong with the world (to name a few). Now somebody please hand me a ladder, I'd like to get off my high horse now. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 theres a general lack of knowledge about big game hunting on here, the follow up shots would have been by the shooter and the guide. But adrenalin in a large animal can mean it doesn't know its dead until its caused damage. Much the same as a deer can run with no heart and lungs the same applies but is magnified because the size of some of the animals is much larger. A lot of the shooting is open sights because after the first shot follow up shots are often taken with slugs on the move and whatever the crack shots on here think its not easy. From an outsiders view it looks horrendous but the simple fact is big dangerous game doesn't usually just fall over dead at the first shot whatever the keyboard experts think, and thats despite some of the weaponry used being hugely more powerful than anything usually used in the UK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Holliday Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 I don't think it's that people think shooting big animals or game is wrong. Far from it. Like any respectable & knowledgeable huntsman/shooter knows, there has to be an element of control going on otherwise we'd be right back in 1,000,000 years BC where we are taking our chances with all the other creatures that walk, run, crawl or fly. My point is the way in which it is done is wrong. And by that I mean taking along someone who's only interest is bagging a trophy to prove their macho credentials. They have no knowledge of the terrain, the animal or it's traits to which make it a potential threat to them. This kind of control should not be open to all and sundry who have the means to buy their "right of passage". I don't agree with trophy hunting for the sake of it, the guy got his just desserts for being ignorant & a macho ********. I'm not going to bow down to anyone who may want to defend this guys corner because their view is different to mine. As it happens, my views on shooting are it fine if you intend to eat the beast or sell it for food to others or if there is a real threat to people, property or livestock. But give the animal the utmost respect and dispatch it as quickly as humanely possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 Its interesting I go on a few big game internet forums and knew nothing before hand, its much the same as our forms of shooting except the paying hunter is acompanied by a guide who also carries a gun and is usually a very experienced hunter. He takes the follow up shot as well if needed all duns are checked for accuracy etc before the hunting commences. He is also the one who knows the animal and the animals traits and gets the hunter in the position for the shot. trophy hunting is an odd idea but no different to someone wanting to shoot a nice stag here and everybody has to start somewhere. I know I get nerves before shooting a days pheasants but it must be very different to have a trip after something that could kill you. Much as its nice for outsiders to think its just fat yanks that can't shoot going out to proove themselves the truth is fairly different and most people who do it are avid hunters, but the prey is hard to kill. Its only the last centure when a lot of it was being done by our empire building forefathers. Its not something I reckon i'll do but before condemning something we don't understand have a little dig about and see whats behind it. Theres a member on here posted pics from his hunt a week or so ago and he wasn't condemned for trophy hunting he's probably the best person to say what big game hunting gives to the countries where it is done but fundamentally shooting and conservation do go hand in hand and its probably been a saviour to many of the species people don't like to see shot. certainly when the locals existence is hand to mouth why have game about that will kill them and their livestock except for the revenue brought in from foreign hunters and with other species they usually give the meat to the locals and nothing is wasted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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