dogfox Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 Basically this is the story, I got a call from my fao saying that he wanted me to come down and see him, he said that hed got the fac back from the superintentent and that there was a small problem. so i went down and the "problem" turned out to be quite a small one, what happened was the super saw that id only had my shotty about 5 months, and that i was only 16(nearly 17) so all he wanted me to do was give him a letter with my reasons for wanting the .22. so im in the middle of writing this up, and what ive got so far is, 1: Better to shoot rabbits with, longer range, quieter etc, 2: we supply Fota wildlife park with rabbits for their large cats (30c per bunny) and they wont take rabbits shot with the shotgun. 3: hearing damage will not be as great with a .22 with subs and a suppressor. what do you guys think of those? regards, DF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogfox Posted March 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 (edited) right this is what i have so far, you think this is ok? Dear sir, I understand that there was a problem with my application for a .22lr (CZ 452 bolt action). I love the shotgun and enjoy going out with it immensely, however I find that for shooting rabbits it is quite hard to get close enough to them to take a humane shot and with the amount of rabbits on my permissions a shotgun isn’t very effective at clearing warrens for the farmers as one shot will spook the lot of them, this is my main reason for applying for the .22, as I can take the shots from safe distances without "spooking" the others due to the lower noise level. I help another family in enniskeane supply Fota wildlife park in cork with rabbits for their big cats, they take them frozen and will not accept rabbits that have been shot with a shotgun due to the spent shot embedding inside them and the possibility of causing damage to the cat. Doing large jobs like clearing large warrens can cause bad hearing damage with a shotgun and I think it is sometimes unsafe to wear earplugs, as from a safety aspect I prefer to know where the other two people I hunt with are at all times, now with a .22 this hearing damage would not be as great by using subsonic ammunition. My family likes to eat most of the things I shoot, e.g., pigeons rabbits and Game birds when in season. And with a .22 the meat damage to the rabbits will not be as high as it would be with a shotgun. I am fully aware of the safety aspects of using a rifle, I have been instructed heavily by my friends Dad on this matter, I have also attended a NARGC firearms safety course. I know to only take the shot when there is a 100% safe backdrop and to only take humane shots. I have a 4 gun safe for the shotgun I currently have, the rifle will also be stored in there, I also have a separate ammunition safe in which all the ammunition will be stored in, and the bolt will also be stored separately to the ammunition and the gun safe itself to ensure safety. Edited March 1, 2009 by dogfox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbart Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 Sounds good enough to me. Nice place fota,i was there last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogfox Posted March 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 (edited) Sounds good enough to me. Nice place fota,i was there last year. Thanks for the input mate, gave me peace of mind Did you see the cheetah race? if you did you will have seen some of the rabbits that we supplied them with Edited March 1, 2009 by dogfox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardo Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 sounds good to me mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 Yeah, sounds good. You've given some really good reasons. Have a read of my letter that I sent to get 3 guns added to my ticket. I didn't think I was going to get all of them but there was no problem at all. You're welcome to take any bits from my letter if you like. I got vermin for my .270, which I was more amazed about...! "Dear Sir, Please find enclosed my application for a variation to my Section 1 Firearms Licence. I am requesting to potentially add a further three firearms to my licence; .270 WIN bolt action rifle, .22 LR rifle and a .17 HMR bolt action rifle. My reasons for these are as follows. I am requesting a .270 WIN rifle, as I am considering a trip to Scotland at some point in the future, where I will be looking to meet up with a professionally qualified DSC deer stalker, who can mentor me in deer stalking. I have spoken at length with Greg Taylor about this and he did say that this should not be a problem, so long as I have the mentoring condition written on my licence. As you will be aware, I do already have a large centre fire rifle on my licence. However this rifle does not meet the minimum calibre requirement to shoot deer in England, Wales or Scotland. Therefore I would like to request a .270 WIN, because it is deemed an excellent round to use in the course of deer stalking. ************ Farm, where I have permission to shoot is signed off to a maximum calibre of .270 WIN, so I am using this land as my permission. As I would also like to use the .270 WIN to shoot vermin and fox (I am not sure if Hertfordshire Firearms Licensing class fox as vermin, so I am putting both) I am also requesting to add a further two rifles, of which I already own the calibres. My reason for requesting these again are because I would like to invest in two night vision scopes, which I would like to use solely on two rifles. This is because every time I have to swap a scope on one of my rifles, it costs me time and plenty of money re-zeroing the gun so that it shoots accurately. I believe that by having these two rifles that each have a dedicated night vision scope, they will save me money in the long run and enable me to carry out my pest control duties efficiently and effectively. As already written on as a condition my licence, I would like the .22 LR and .17 HMR to be used for the same reasons, for vermin control. I appreciate you taking the time to read this and if you have any questions, please do not hesitate to ring me on *********. I am just up the road from the station, so I can pop in if you need to see me face to face. Concurrently it would also be easier for me to collect the licence back from you, instead of it being posted. Yours sincerely," Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirnovember Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 (edited) Basically this is the story, I got a call from my fao saying that he wanted me to come down and see him, he said that hed got the fac back from the superintentent and that there was a small problem. so i went down and the "problem" turned out to be quite a small one, what happened was the super saw that id only had my shotty about 5 months, and that i was only 16(nearly 17) so all he wanted me to do was give him a letter with my reasons for wanting the .22. so im in the middle of writing this up, and what ive got so far is, 1: Better to shoot rabbits with, longer range, quieter etc, 2: we supply Fota wildlife park with rabbits for their large cats (30c per bunny) and they wont take rabbits shot with the shotgun. 3: hearing damage will not be as great with a .22 with subs and a suppressor. what do you guys think of those? regards, DF Get rid of the hearing damage bit. Edited March 1, 2009 by sirnovember Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev 1 Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 Good luck with it anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirnovember Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 (edited) Dear sir, I understand that there was a problem with my application for a .22lr. and I would like to state my reasons for wanting one. I find that shooting rabbits it is difficult with a shotgun, due to the limited range of the gun. With the amount of rabbits on my permissions, a shotgun won't, and isn't, very effective. I will be clearing warrens for the farmers, and one shot from a shotgun would spook the lot. This is my main reason for applying for the .22LR. I can take the shots from safe distances without spooking other quarry, due to the significantly lower noise produced from a 22lr. I also help another family in enniskeane. I also supply Fota wildlife park in cork, with rabbits for their big cats, they take them frozen, and will not accept rabbits that have been shot with a shotgun, due to the spent shot embedding inside them and the possibility of causing damage to the cat. Doing large tasks like clearing large warrens can cause bad hearing damage with a shotgun, and I think it is sometimes unsafe to wear earplugs, as from a safety aspect, I prefer to know where the other two people I shoot with are at all times. With a .22, this hearing damage would not be as great if I was to use subsonic ammunition. My family likes to eat most of the things I shoot, e.g., pigeons, rabbits and Game birds when in season. And with a .22, the meat damage to the quarry will not be as intense as it would be with a shotgun. I am fully aware of the safety aspects of using a rifle, and I have been instructed heavily by a friends father on this matter. I have also attended a NARGC firearms safety course, which I feel has put me in very good stead for owning a FAC. From a safety point of view, I know to only take shots when there is a guaranteed, 100% safe backdrop, and to only take humane shots. I have a four Gun safe for the shotgun I currently own, and the rifle will be stored in there also. I also have a separate ammunition safe in which all ammunition will be stored. The bolt will also be stored separately to the ammunition. Kind regards, Dogfox A slightly modified version. Take it or leave it as you wish. Edited March 1, 2009 by sirnovember Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogfox Posted March 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 (edited) Thanks sirnovembre and all others who posted with advice, i edited it slightly making it very clear that i have no intention to shoot winged vermin/game with it and i ktook out the hearing damage bit Edited March 1, 2009 by dogfox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fo5ter Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 sounds great - i really can't imagine them turning it down, not with the wildlife park bit in there! best of luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 You have supplied details of your good reason to acquire a firearm right? IE that you have land to shoot it over? You need to specify the land - normally with written permission - which will be your "base permission" or the land that your application was based on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triscrx Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 I think its well worded buddy. shouldn't be a problem with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Fudd Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 sounds ok, i wouldnt say much about the hearing loss bit (as somone else mentioned) and dont limit yourself to only shooting rabbits, but apart from that should be fine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirnovember Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 It actually sounds really good. Check the punctuation a few times and put it through a spell checker and you should be fine. You have really good reasons and you sound like a nice lad, so they shouldn't turn you down. Good luck with it. SN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogfox Posted March 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 (edited) You have supplied details of your good reason to acquire a firearm right? IE that you have land to shoot it over? You need to specify the land - normally with written permission - which will be your "base permission" or the land that your application was based on. we dont do it like that over here , basically you initially dont state a reason for a sgc or a .22, none of my mates were asked and neither was i for the sgc, as long as your in agun club they wont, now if you are not a member of a gun club you need written permission of 3 farmers with the land folio numbers to obtain the licence. insurance greatly helps anb application. as long as your ina gun club your fine really, when you go CF then problems arise everywhere! but i wont be going for that for a longggg time thanks for the input mate It actually sounds really good. Check the punctuation a few times and put it through a spell checker and you should be fine. You have really good reasons and you sound like a nice lad, so they shouldn't turn you down. Good luck with it. SN i hope it goes well, the application was sent off again on monday with my letter, im hoping that as the super has already seen it he will hopefully just look at the letter and pass it straight back with my cert!, i really dont want to have to wait another 7/8 weeks! regards, DF Edited March 4, 2009 by dogfox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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