RhiannonBW Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 What blackbart has said is true.. Blowing up a few critters would not spawn a war, and the fact there are so many movies like this is fuel for petas fire.. Ever see a Muslim protest because their dogs do not have enough to eat AND as far as 9/11 goes a few of you think that we had it coming because we have pushed a few countries around.. How is it that innocents had to die? So what you are saying leads me to think that you are not any better than those that had bombed the trade towers? Y'all bitch about a few Yanks blowing up some animals ( an action i do not condone), and in the same breath say We deserved it England lost many lives that day too.. But you know what? You can thank every veteran on this site, because they have given you the right to speak and enjoy the freedoms you do have.. Thats my ten cents boys.. I think you will find that thanks to Middle Eastern Policy, spear headed by the United States, and unfortunately supported by the British Government, more lives have been lost than 'some animals'. Although I think many decent people do try and do the right thing, there is that sense of schadenfreude as many Americans funded the terrorism that the United Kingdom suffered during the Irish troubles. Sometimes we all have human failings. Two wrongs do not make a right, and an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. Unfortunately whilst money, oil and population-control is counted as more valuable than humanity, terrorism will be with us. A population in fear is one that is easily manipulated. There are no easy answers, but humanity and compassion, searching for understanding and working to heal the wounds caused by foreign policy from all nations, will do more to stop terrorism and war than bombs and destruction. I'm pretty sure that when most of us mutter about 'Muslims' we mean some weird spitting character with skinny legs and a beard, not national heroes such as Mohammed Ali. It's rather telling that it is the younger Muslims who are ghettoising themselves, and who are feeling driven to the sectarianism and twisted views, whilst the older and wiser seek to build bridges and look for areas of commonality. It's not easy, when we are hurt, or those we love are hurting we all feel the need to strike back. ( You would not want to have heard the language I used when my stepson's unit came under 'friendly fire' from the US army in Iraq and Afghanistan (he's done 4 tours of one and 5 of the other).) But ultimately 99% of people in the world all want the same thing, for our children to be safe, for our friends and family to be safe, for our world to be better tomorrow than it is today, to be able to sit and share a meal or a drink with anyone and enrich our lives through sharing rather than selfishness. But that 1% contain the manipulators, the greedy, the ones that drive other people to commit attrocities, the ones that twist news and media, the ones that spread fear and uncertainty and distort viewpoints, the people to whom other human beings are nothing more than unreal pawns in some sort of game. These are the people we should be seeking out, but how much easier is it to allow the media to manipulate us into hating 'Johnny Foreigner' whilst we are led like sheep whilst our civil liberties are removed one by one. Rhiannon (normal service will be resumed shortly ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 But ultimately 99% of people in the world all want the same thing, for our children to be safe, for our friends and family to be safe, for our world to be better tomorrow than it is today, to be able to sit and share a meal or a drink with anyone and enrich our lives through sharing rather than selfishness. But that 1% contain the manipulators, the greedy, the ones that drive other people to commit attrocities, the ones that twist news and media, the ones that spread fear and uncertainty and distort viewpoints, the people to whom other human beings are nothing more than unreal pawns in some sort of game. These are the people we should be seeking out, but how much easier is it to allow the media to manipulate us into hating 'Johnny Foreigner' whilst we are led like sheep whilst our civil liberties are removed one by one. Rhiannon (normal service will be resumed shortly ) A good post and the paragraph I have quoted above, is the bit that most people seem to forget. I have travelled over a lot of the World, including the Middle East and I have met very few people that were not pleased to see me and very hospitable in their manner. In many of the countries I have not agreed with the Governments policies (especially those that were Communist at the time), but the people were still fantastic. Most of them didn't support their Governments, or any extreme hostile actions, but were (or felt) unable to anything about it. To tar a whole population because of their Governments policies, or the actions of extremists, is wrong and just plain ignorant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 excellent.....Freedom of speach to" The cost of a darkie" in 3 pages Just another day on PW... ZB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeinVA Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 Just another day on PW... ZB I was going to comment on that one too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundowner Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 Freedom of speech Have you any idea how stupid your comment was? Me Stupid? Just cos I don't believe in what the media, FBI, CIA and keep telling us? BTW, is there a need to get that personal? I happend to disagree with that (what I believe to be drivel, especially that religious bit ) written by that woman telling us that she doesn't care. SUrely I still have the right to an opinion ( be that in anyway right or wrong in any other persons view)? Seems to me that the "Off TOpic" section is one for me to avoid in future unless, of course I agree with what is being written ! Don't want to be accused again of talking **** ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeinVA Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 Me Stupid?Just cos I don't believe in what the media, FBI, CIA and keep telling us? BTW, is there a need to get that personal? I happend to disagree with that (what I believe to be drivel, especially that religious bit ) written by that woman telling us that she doesn't care. SUrely I still have the right to an opinion ( be that in anyway right or wrong in any other persons view)? Seems to me that the "Off TOpic" section is one for me to avoid in future unless, of course I agree with what is being written ! Don't want to be accused again of talking **** ! I said your comment was stupid and was not addressing you as such.. The 9/11 episode hit home and i do not think that any normal thinking person would condone taking the lives of innocents.. No matter what a person thinks an unprovoked acted of wickedness, like this was, shouldnt be tolerated.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digger Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 Whilst we are off topic = Noraid ( aka scum ) rattled their collection tins in the city around the World Trade Center collecting to fund terrorism, no doubt the fools who contibuted wore Guiness hats on St Patricks day and believe Gangs of New York was a documentary. It was seen as acceptable as it was funding atrocities taking place on the other side of a vast ocean then BANG its on their door step and the whole world changes. IRA kept their evil little dogs on a tight leash for a long time after 9/11 as they knew they were now labelled the bad guys in the "war" against terrorism. What happened was an appalling waste of life and unforgivable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 Whilst we are off topic = Noraid ( aka scum ) rattled their collection tins in the city around the World Trade Center collecting to fund terrorism, no doubt the fools who contibuted wore Guiness hats on St Patricks day and believe Gangs of New York was a documentary. It was seen as acceptable as it was funding atrocities taking place on the other side of a vast ocean then BANG its on their door step and the whole world changes. IRA kept their evil little dogs on a tight leash for a long time after 9/11 as they knew they were now labelled the bad guys in the "war" against terrorism. What happened was an appalling waste of life and unforgivable. Give that man a pint ZB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 "IRA kept their evil little dogs on a tight leash for a long time after 9/11 as they knew they were now labelled the bad guys in the "war" against terrorism. What happened was an appalling waste of life and unforgivable. " Has to do with politics or as a friend who I know says: "####tics", every big government which has had imperial or grand aspirations to control countries and establish colonies has helped rival armed movements battle each other so that country could in the end become master over an entire area, like the diamond conflicts in Africa to American support of Caucasus separatists and jihadis in the 1980s and 1990s to frustrate Russia and take away from its dominance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Fudd Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 "IRA kept their evil little dogs on a tight leash for a long time after 9/11 as they knew they were now labelled the bad guys in the "war" against terrorism.What happened was an appalling waste of life and unforgivable. " Has to do with politics or as a friend who I know says: "####tics", every big government which has had imperial or grand aspirations to control countries and establish colonies has helped rival armed movements battle each other so that country could in the end become master over an entire area, like the diamond conflicts in Africa to American support of Caucasus separatists and jihadis in the 1980s and 1990s to frustrate Russia and take away from its dominance. eh... so youre saying america supported the ira because they wanted to use them against the british? even though britain and america are allied? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 (edited) eh... so youre saying america supported the ira because they wanted to use them against the british? even though britain and america are allied? :blink: The American and British GOVERNMENTS are allied at national policy level. There are, however, a fairly high percentage of plastic oirish US politicians (see the ******* Kennedy's, one of whom has just been ******* knighted ) and a fearful number of even more plastic "after me lucky charms" oirish US citizens who have supported the IRA both in the past and present. An awful lot of the bombs and bullets on the streets of Ulster are and have been funded by US dollars. Sort of like terrorist fantasy football, where they paid for our soldiers and citizens to die, and then get to cheer on "the boyos" down at "O'Malley's Bar" but with no actual consequences on "home turf". ZB Edited March 19, 2009 by Zapp Brannigan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Fudd Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 (edited) The American and British GOVERNMENTS are allied at national policy level. There are, however, a fairly high percentage of plastic oirish US politicians (see the ******* Kennedy's, one of whom has just been ******* knighted :blink: ) and a fearful number of even more plastic "after me lucky charms" oirish US citizens who have supported the IRA both in the past and present. An awful lot of the bombs and bullets on the streets of Ulster are and have been funded by US dollars. Sort of like terrorist fantasy football, where they paid for our soldiers and citizens to die, but with no actual consequences on "home turf". ZB zapp i know all that. what i meant was is koz trying to say that somehow america is trying to attack britain by using the ira? if so, im beginning to wonder which planet beamed him down here... Edited March 19, 2009 by babbyc1000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 Fair enough, I was perhaps using your post as an excuse to vent off a little anyway. ZB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 "zapp i know all that. what i meant was is koz trying to say that somehow america is trying to attack britain by using the ira? if so, im beginning to wonder which planet beamed him down here... rolleyes.gif" How dare you question my home Planet Krypton? No I didn't mean that USA is trying to take over Britain but some elements in the USA have given the IRA funds and weapons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Fudd Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 "zapp i know all that. what i meant was is koz trying to say that somehow america is trying to attack britain by using the ira? if so, im beginning to wonder which planet beamed him down here... rolleyes.gif" How dare you question my home Planet Krypton? :blink: No I didn't mean that USA is trying to take over Britain but some elements in the USA have given the IRA funds and weapons. good, i was beginning to wonder there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LXX73 Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 Strewth another debate. Im sure some members on here have Zeitgeist running 24/7 on the DVD player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Fudd Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 Strewth another debate. Im sure some members on here have Zeitgeist running 24/7 on the DVD player. which would be... what exacty? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LXX73 Posted March 20, 2009 Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 (edited) Google it. A couple of films for consiracy theorists,(which im not) but some of the things mentioned do make you think. http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/ here you go Edited March 20, 2009 by LXX73 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Fudd Posted March 20, 2009 Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 already done it, but got to get up for work in just over 6 hours so aint watching it all :blink: oh right, the tinfoil hat brigade then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boomstick Posted March 20, 2009 Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 Strewth another debate. Im sure some members on here have Zeitgeist running 24/7 on the DVD player. Who DOESN'T?! :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 20, 2009 Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 (edited) Zeit geist is rubbish. If you want a real documentary then Watch Endgame, Terrorstorm, America Freedom to Fascism and The Obama Deception. Edited March 20, 2009 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LXX73 Posted March 20, 2009 Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 I got the feeling you watched all these documentarys koz . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Fudd Posted March 20, 2009 Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 Fair enough, I was perhaps using your post as an excuse to vent off a little anyway. ZB ah wouldnt worry, im good for stress relief :blink: :look: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryan9613 Posted March 20, 2009 Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 You should not judge frount line soldiers who are deployed on operations in iraq or afghanistan, you have no idea what is happening out there. if you want to change things, sign up and have a go for yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersonic Posted March 20, 2009 Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 They do it because they are brainwashed into thinking they are going to a better place.They have nothing,no future and a miserable existence because their government milks off the wealth of the country.They do it because their family gets looked after if they do.They do it because they believe in a false god.They do it because the people in power in their country tell them the usa are the enemy.They do it because they are desperate. They dont do it because an american soldier blows up a cat ! excellent.....Freedom of speach to" The cost of a darkie" in 3 pages :blink: Priceless! ****** priceless! **** I started to get wound up and incensed the more I read this thread but the good old PW humour and reality check kicks in! Nige Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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