Ackley Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 I have shot a plethora of munties with 223 as well as roe in Scotland, I think it is purel down to shot placement, and timing, if the beast is full of adrenelin, you may get a runner, but those are the shots perhaps best left, as the meat will taste ayway. how many muntjac you shot mate with a 223 ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 You shot a plethora of them. Is that the Munty term for a herd then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 You shot a plethora of them. Is that the Munty term for a herd then? Ay lad, its sem as bucket looerds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackley Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 Ay lad, its sem as bucket looerds so how many with your 223 ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 Wow, this one's going on a bit isn't it! Nick. Well done for doing what you felt was right at the time. My opinion is that you were right to leave the shot. If you're new to this kind of thing then nerves really don't help your marksmanship. I'm sure you'll spot this one again and take him, and we'll be very pleased to hear the story when you do. I've left a Roe Buck four times in the last six weeks because I wasn't happy with the shot. Every time I was 95% sure I could take it cleanly...Not good enough! Ackley, why are you being such a pain in the butt? You can't say a head shot is as safe a bet as a boiler room shot because it's not, end of story! The head is on the end of a long flexible bit called a neck. It can move unexpectedly and quickly. When you're lining up the shot the Deer only needs to move its head 4" as the trigger is pulled and can end up with the important bits of its face hanging off. It's not going to die quickly like that! With a heart shot it may start to take a step or even try to run but a shot 4" out on the heart will still mess it up and kill it fairly quickly. It has to propel its whole body to move its vitals which will happen much more slowly. Yes head shots are possible. They are also more risky. Many of us don't want to take that risk. That's not old school or letting magazine writers sway our reasoning, we just respect our quarry enough to let them go. Every shot is a calculated risk, some of us just like to keep the odds in our favour. I'm not saying it's bad practice, it's just more risky. With Muntjac being so twitchy it pays to keep the shots sensible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackley Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 (edited) ckley, why are you being such a pain in the butt? You can't say a head shot is as safe a bet as a boiler room shot because it's not, end of story! The head is on the end of a long flexible bit called a neck. It can move unexpectedly and quickly. When you're lining up the shot the Deer only needs to move its head 4" as the trigger is pulled and can end up with the important bits of its face hanging off. It's not going to die quickly like that! With a heart shot it may start to take a step or even try to run but a shot 4" out on the heart will still mess it up and kill it fairly quickly. It has to propel its whole body to move its vitals which will happen much more slowly. . a head or neck shot is a good as any other,as I have said taking any shot the condition must be right,and yes a badly placed head or neck is posable BUT so is a badly placed heart and lung, the beast only has to step or turn at the wrong moment just so dont go there mate I seen deer with the stomach hanging out because someone dropped the shot,Ive seen heart and lung shots go over 100 yards into deep cover when you think you have missed as you cant find it we all have a story to tell mate when shooting anyhting things can go wrong and will go wrong,thats why the conditions has to be right, you can argue as much as you like there is more deer lost with a missed place heart and lung shot than any other Edited July 21, 2009 by Ackley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 Ay lad, its sem as bucket looerds Ah! Tha' means uggins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackley Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 Ah! Tha' means uggins. still not got an answer from him Dave to how many hes shot with his 223 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 talking of Muntjac i take it that a buck with close to 6" of rather thick horn would be quite good, saw one last night while sitting out looking for charlie. 30 yards away never seen one with that much before. Its on a farm where they're not shot and none of the surrounding farms do either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorraine Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 still not got an answer from him Dave to how many hes shot with his 223 He's old and can't write quick :blink: ............... and he's from Heckmondwike Come on John sithee, answer t'man thanuss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 He's old and can't write quick :blink: ............... and he's from Heckmondwike Come on John sithee, answer t'man thanuss Sorry, I've been busy shekin a stick at all them Dave K's , now I'm not one of yer score keeper types, don't do game records and the like, but this year, I have had 23, and I haven't been as much cos werks bin slack so Ahm short o brass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackley Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 Sorry, I've been busy shekin a stick at all them Dave K's , now I'm not one of yer score keeper types, don't do game records and the like, but this year, I have had 23, and I haven't been as much cos werks bin slack so Ahm short o brass 23 munjac with your 223,you have been a busy boy seeing you have only been allowed to use a 223 only a very short time.or is there something your not telling us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 23 munjac with your 223,you have been a busy boy seeing you have only been allowed to use a 223 only a very short time.or is there something your not telling us What are you suggesting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackley Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 What are you suggesting? Ima not suggesting anything you said you ahve shot "loads" with yiour 223,so seeing its only been a matter of months since this caliber has been allowed to be used on small deer,you must have been a busy boy to harvest 23 in such a short time scale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 Different perceptions of what loads are. Loads of munties to me would be ONE as I've never seen one in the flesh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 Like I said in my earlier post, work has been quiet for me due to the recession, so I have had a lot of free time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackley Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 (edited) Like I said in my earlier post, work has been quiet for me due to the recession, so I have had a lot of free time well you must have one hell of a peice of ground and travel quite a lot as theres no muntjac in west yorkshire. so all 23 were shot with your 223 ? did any run where any lost did you take only a heart and lung shot,did you miss any Edited July 21, 2009 by Ackley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 well you must have one hell of a peice of ground and travel quite a lot as theres no muntjac in west yorkshire.so all 23 were shot with your 223 ? did any run where any lost did you take only a heart and lung shot,did you miss any Now whos making assumptions? Nowhere did I mention muntjac and west Yorkshire. Ask Dave where I shoot them, I won't be posting that information on a public forum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackley Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 Now whos making assumptions? Nowhere did I mention muntjac and west Yorkshire. Ask Dave where I shoot them, I won't be posting that information on a public forum LOL the only thing in Yorkshire are men with short arms and deep pockets **** thanks for the PM by the way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 LOLthe only thing in Yorkshire are men with short arms and deep pockets **** thanks for the PM by the way Natthen thas feytin talk :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 Natthen thas feytin talk If tha bob dunt gi ar bob that bob that thar bob owes ar bob ar bob 'll gi tha bob a bob on t' noaz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 talking of Muntjac i take it that a buck with close to 6" of rather thick horn would be quite good, Yes it would Alex, this supposed to be a Gold Medal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 thought it was good had a lot more than most I've seen, guess he's actually got to a good age with it being a pretty safe area. See him too often might have to make it a less safe area Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 Yes it would Alex, this supposed to be a Gold Medal Ugly looking thing, innit. Nice munty head though :blink: :good: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 well you must have one hell of a peice of ground and travel quite a lot as theres no muntjac in west yorkshire.so all 23 were shot with your 223 ? did any run where any lost did you take only a heart and lung shot,did you miss any That's no more unbelievable than your "400 yard blowing hooley fox shot" or "7 beasts in snow"....... Why is this such a problem for you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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