.243 Rifle Comparison

[game_boy]

Does anyone have one of the following?

 

Browning .243 A Bolt - 2 Composite Stalker or a Remington .243 700 SPS DM ?

 

Any feedback on these two models would be appreciated and what one you would have if had the choice. Also what does the DM part stand for ?

 

 

Many thanks.

GB.

[Guest RemmySPS]

DM = Detachable magazine

[Guest RemmySPS]

Even though I own own and am very happy with 3 remingtons, i wouldnt touch an sps as the stock is just junk.

Don’t know where you obtained that information from, but my stock is very solid, so much so that I was able to remove fore-end material and float the barrel., and still have good rigidity.

I have seen the grey coloured stocks that seem very flimsy, but the one I have seems quite solid. A bit hollow in the butt area, but I filled it up with P38 which made it very solid as well as moving some of the weight towards the rear and balancing the rifle a little better.

As for the bolt; I polished it to take off that awful parkarised finish, which also made it a lot smoother. OK. It isn’t as good as my Tikka, but it shoots just as well. :look:

[game_boy]

Cheers for the replies guys. So would you go for the remmy rather than the browning ?

[Lloyd90]

I was trying to decided between a 243 CZ or Rem, I tried the bolt on both, CZ was ok but the Rem was like trying to push salad onto a fat persons plate, bloody difficult

 

The rem with the grey stock was even worse! Try n get one of each in hand n see what there like. I also found the CZ was a bit chunkier so suited my build

[DaveK]

I know Fister will disagree but I recommend you consider a third option to the list. Howa. One or two people have had problems with them but the vast majority haven't a bad word to say. I have one in .223 and it's a tack driver. As a bonus the engineering is much better than an out of the box Remy 700. Howa make the actions for weatherby vanguards.

[miniwizard]

I know Fister will disagree but I recommend you consider a third option to the list. Howa. One or two people have had problems with them but the vast majority haven't a bad word to say. I have one in .223 and it's a tack driver. As a bonus the engineering is much better than an out of the box Remy 700. Howa make the actions for weatherby vanguards.

i would agree,i own a howa,and its very well engineered, smooth as silk bolt,and takes rem 700 scope mounts,i like the extractor claw,ar15 style,no probs with any ammo

[Birdboy]

Hi Game Boy,

 

I recently considered the A Bolt in 243, but the local RFD said the re-sale value of an A Bolt is very poor, and they dont fetch good money if you ever came into PX it.

 

Thought about a Tikka T3 Lite in 243 ?

 

BB

Edited July 15, 2009 by Birdboy

[njc110381]

I know a guy who has just got himself an A-bolt in .270. He got it because he fell in love with it in the shop! He has a fair range of firearms experience and said it was one of the nicest actions he's ever handled. When he's shot it a bit I'll let you know how he feels about it. Resale value only matters if you pass it on, and you could possibly pick up a cheap bargain S/H if you could trust the seller

[game_boy]

Good info chaps thanks alot. Obviously i'd love a Tika or alike but thats out of my price range, and when I buy a gun its for the intention of keeping it for the long run.

[garyb]

If the T3's an option - Don't rule out the RWS Tian 6..

 

Would set you back £670 odd new - Factory Screwcut

 

I love mine, all be it in Titan 3 form (and .223)

 

http://www.titan6.com/english/home.html

[Guest RemmySPS]

I was trying to decided between a 243 CZ or Rem, I tried the bolt on both, CZ was ok but the Rem was like trying to push salad onto a fat persons plate, bloody difficult

What you must realise is that Remington’s are controlled feed. This means that the bolt actually has to pick up the cartridge case and slip it under the extractor. The bolt then holds the case firmly, and if you wished to you could simply pull the bolt back and withdraw the case before pushing it fully home. You can’t do this with the Tikka or the Howa as they simply push the case into the chamber, and if you were to pull the bolt back without firstly pushing it all the way home, then the case would simply stop in the chamber.

This is why the Remmy seems more difficult to push home.

[Lloyd90]

What you must realise is that Remington’s are controlled feed. This means that the bolt actually has to pick up the cartridge case and slip it under the extractor. The bolt then holds the case firmly, and if you wished to you could simply pull the bolt back and withdraw the case before pushing it fully home. You can’t do this with the Tikka or the Howa as they simply push the case into the chamber, and if you were to pull the bolt back without firstly pushing it all the way home, then the case would simply stop in the chamber.

This is why the Remmy seems more difficult to push home.

 

 

Im pretty sure my CZ does just that and it was much smoother then the Remington, I do like the remington rifles just prefered the CZ

 

Would love a heavy barrel Rem in 223 with nice stock n a 6-24x50 leupold for varmint shooting

[JRDS]

Just to add one to the mix, the A Bolt has now been superceded by the X Bolt there is a test in this months Shooting Sports and Pete Moore seems very keen. Personally I have a Remmy 700 Mountain Rifle in 243 as my stalking gun, no mod to keep the weight off and a Schmidt 6 x 42 it does everything I want. It has been floated and Glass / Pillar bedded but other than that std.

[Rem223]

What you must realise is that Remington’s are controlled feed. This means that the bolt actually has to pick up the cartridge case and slip it under the extractor. The bolt then holds the case firmly, and if you wished to you could simply pull the bolt back and withdraw the case before pushing it fully home. You can’t do this with the Tikka or the Howa as they simply push the case into the chamber, and if you were to pull the bolt back without firstly pushing it all the way home, then the case would simply stop in the chamber.

This is why the Remmy seems more difficult to push home.

As I understand it the Remington is push feed. This video might help explain the concept for you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZZphk6JWfQ

Personally I don't think it matters much unless you plan on shooting dangerous game.

 

Given the choice between a Remington and the Tikka I would probably take the Tikka for out of the box accuracy. Remington are good rifles but quality control seems a bit hit and miss these days and with import duties I think they are relatively expensive in the UK for what you get.

[game_boy]

The gunshop where I priced it said the SPS will group 1" at 100 yrds out the box.

[al4x]

I bought an SPS in 223 last week and it is easily sub 1" but mine does have a hogue stock and different trigger which are the weak points I'm led to believe with the standard gun. Initial thoughts are it goes bang when you pull the trigger and the bullet goes where I want it so thats about all that matters to me :(

Edited July 17, 2009 by al4x

[Guest RemmySPS]

And if believe that, you will believe anything. So much **** gets talked on the internet by people who dont know what they are talking about and this is a prime example of totally incorrect information.

 

My apologies for the incorrect statement. I got very mixed up and posted whilst not quite myself.

I won’t continue to post any more as I don’t want to be considered a danger to any new shooters.

Fister……a simple PM would have been more than adequate for me to remove the post and to prevent me from looking a fool.

Once again, sorry lads.

[DaveK]

Don't be silly Graham, we're all entitled to get it wrong now and again. And there's always someone ready to jump on it and make themselves look clever.

 

Just keep posting. :(