james w Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 not sure if this has been asked before but i have tried the search bar. considering price of the gun ,price of ammunition, how easy it is to obtain a licence, safety risks, choices of of gun and every thing else, in the long run is it better to bye a fac air gun or a .22lr for shooting rabbits and other vermin ? Obviously you can take bigger game with a 22lr though i cant really see it being very cost effective to be shooting pigeons with one at 30p or so each as opposed to 1p for an airgun pellet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 its not 30p though the rounds are dirt cheap, also the guns are generally pretty cheap to start with Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james w Posted August 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 (edited) 50 rounds for £15 =30p each 50 x 30p= £15,00 or is that just because they are Remington and your paying for the name? i dont know very much when it comes to rifles edit: just found some more 50 for 2.99 6p each which is 6x more than a air gun pellet Edited August 4, 2009 by james w Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George1990 Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 .22LR rounds are actually about 7p each. £36 for 500 If you're going through the hassle of getting an FAC, I'd say .22 LR. You'd need a powerful air rifle to match the trajectory of the LR (about 40ft/lbs.) Also, you can pick up a .22LR cheaper than an air rifle firing at that power. Noise isn't an issue with the .22, when you use subsonic ammunition and a moderator. They're quieter than a spring air rifle. (prob not a pcp) Of course there's nothing stopping you putting both .22LR and .22Air on your FAC. I'd put .17HMR on while you're at it too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George1990 Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 50 rounds for £15 =30p each 50 x 30p= £15,00 or is that just because they are Remington and your paying for the name?i dont know very much when it comes to rifles Don't pay that! That's more than HMR ammo, and they're £10 for 50. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salop Matt Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 Personally when I put in for my FAC i went 22lr and 17HMR bith were granted and now i wish i had also had fac air or FAC air insted of 22lr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lez325 Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 go for all 3 fella 22LR- 22 Air and 17 HMR- I did and never regreted it Les Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet boy Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 .22LR is better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toombsy Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 .22LR is better. Why bother with an FAC air rifle when a .22LR will kill at greater range, is just as quiet and a lot more effective? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet boy Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 Why bother with an FAC air rifle when a .22LR will kill at greater range, is just as quiet and a lot more effective? In some areas of my permitted shooting rights i can only use FAC Airgun and not .22LR! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooter Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 This gets discussed a lot. The best thing to do (as Les already said) is to put in for all three, you then have the choice on what you actually buy. After you have tried the FAC air, LR etc, you can decide what is best for you. There are other cost's of FAC air which are not clear until you own one, but they are not much. I found the biggest single advantage of RF over air is the smaller amount of kit you have to carry. Other advantages are that they have a lot more predictable trajectory, so you will take less time to get used to them, they are normally lighter, and with sub sonic rounds, and a good mod, they are about as quiet as FAC air. But as already said, FAC air has it's place, but so does sub 12ft/lb, and wether or not you will find one useful depends on the area over which you will be shooting. HTH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james w Posted August 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 sorry to mess you around but im not intending on buying either, just interested i think for the permission i have an fac air will be more suited though. if (when im a bit older) i have the space and the money you wont stop me from buying all 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colster Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 Sorry for thread jacking a bit but while we're all here discussing this, I have a similar quandry as to which way to go next. I love my springer and it was a great starting point to get into shooting but can't decide where to go from here. If I don't go for my FAC, do I make the move to a multi shot non FAC PCP (BSA Ultra Tactical is looking mighty purdy - I like synthetic stocks for some reason) or am I better just going for a FAC and getting a rimfire (hmr/lr?) I mainly do rabbit shooting and often find the little **** leg it like they know the effective range of my .22 spinger better than I do (although I surprised one from about 50 yards away last night (he's now in the freezer), this is very much the exception rather than the rule). Costs wise I realise the ammo is going to cost more for a rimmy but I don't think it's that bad but is the FAC a cheaper option initially as although I'd have to buy a safe I'd surely spend as much on a bottle for a PCP. If I went FAC, I'd probably put down for a FAC air too just in case but not sure which way to go: FAC rimfire or PCP multi shot (can't see the point of going to a single shot PCP or am I missing something?) Any thoughts/opinions, greatly received. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timmy222 Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 Les has the right idea go for all 3. Fac air, great for around the buildings and yard areas, extra clout and extra range with little chance of a dangerous rebound- also mine has adjustable power setting. .22lr used for lamping and to keep the noise down, but it will ricohet off nearly anything and can be a pain in the back side. .17 hmr, just simply the best hard hitting small rimmy around, fast and flat 100 yards plus. Get all 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reaper6 Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 I dont no where all u buy your ammo from, but i dont like to pay more than 40 quid a thousand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carld41 Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 (edited) Horses for courses. I have got FAC air .22 and 177 (havent decided which rifle to get yet)for shooting around a local farm (use my sub 12ftlbs at the mo) they would never allow powder burners where I shoot. If I was shooting elsewhere more open/safer etc I suppose I would go for rimfire. Only really into pcp's at the moment though but thats not to say I wont go down the .22lr in the future. Edited August 5, 2009 by carld41 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGDAN Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 (edited) not sure if this has been asked before but i have tried the search bar. considering price of the gun ,price of ammunition, how easy it is to obtain a licence, safety risks, choices of of gun and every thing else, in the long run is it better to bye a fac air gun or a .22lr for shooting rabbits and other vermin ? Obviously you can take bigger game with a 22lr though i cant really see it being very cost effective to be shooting pigeons with one at 30p or so each as opposed to 1p for an airgun pellet. GDAY JAMES, ive had fac air rifle s(daystate huntsman and theoben eliminator). they were both fine rifles but as soon as i got my fac for rimfire , i couldnt believe the difference. i use eley subsonics in my brno .22 and they cost £2.50 for fifty. the eleys prroduce about 90 foot pounds of energy and are extremely accurate. and silent of course. i also use a marin .17hmr (£12.00) for fifty. and that produces 250 foot pounds of energy . which gives clean and consistant kills out to 150yds. when i got my fac for rimfire on a tiny bit of ground {15 acres) th flo specified that i may only use subsonic ammo on it. there is a movement in a lot of police forces now to approve the .17hmr over the .22 as its very rare to get ricochets with the hmr, but theyre very common with the .22. depending on the size of your permission ,id go for the .17hmr and the .22 and see what they say. Edited August 5, 2009 by BIGDAN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carld41 Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 GDAY JAMES, ive had fac air rifle s(daystate huntsman and theoben eliminator). they were both fine rifles but as soon as i got my fac for rimfire , i couldnt believe the difference. i use eley subsonics in my brno .22 and they cost £2.50 for fifty.the eleys prroduce about 90 foot pounds of energy and are extremely accurate. and silent of course. i also use a marin .17hmr (£12.00) for fifty. and that produces 250 foot pounds of energy . which gives clean and consistant kills out to 150yds. when i got my fac for rimfire on a tiny bit of ground {15 acres) th flo specified that i may only use subsonic ammo on it. there is a movement in a lot of police forces now to approve the .17hmr over the .22 as its very rare to get ricochets with the hmr, but theyre very common with the .22. depending on the size of your permission ,id go for the .17hmr and the .22 and see what they say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colster Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 So the view seems to be if you're going for FAC then get HMR/LR, rather than focus on FAC Air (although I would definitely put in for FAC Air on my ticket - just in case I come into a large sum of disposable income) and it seems that I would be better going for that than not putting in for FAC and going for a sub 12ft/lbs PCP. So, next question... HMR or LR, had a chat with the chap at my local gunshop today and he was leaning towards LR as it's quieter and although it may ricochet, the HMR has a tendency to disintegrate if it hits so much as a raindrop. Is there much difference in the price/choice of the guns/ammo etc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJaxeman Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 I put down all three never looked back the FAC Air is great for as said around smaller area's and squirels and pigeons in trees wich for obvious reasons you canot use the LR for. So all three is the way to go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colster Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 I put down all three never looked back the FAC Air is great for as said around smaller area's and squirels and pigeons in trees wich for obvious reasons you canot use the LR for. So all three is the way to go I quite agree and would do that on my ticket but which would you actually definitely buy.. or buy first? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George1990 Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 I recently got an HMR and my dad a .22LR. I have to say that overall I prefer the HMR. Yes, the .22 is very quiet, but you'll often miss out on shots as they'll be out of range. The possibilty of meat damage with the HMR often puts people off, but a head, neck or chest shot (where you should be aiming anyway) won't cause any damage as there is no meat there. The sound doesn't really put them off either. Even if you miss with the first shot it won't move, unless the impact sound of the bullet hitting the ground scares it off, but would happen with any gun. Being that bit further away gives the bunnies that bit more confidence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james w Posted August 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 how much are you looking to pay for a half decent lr/hmr? looks don't bother my much, if i wanted a pritty thing i would bye a sculpture or painting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 the HMR has a tendency to disintegrate if it hits so much as a raindrop. he's feeding you a load of bull poo as for a decent setup cost with scope buying new you should be able to get the HMR for under £500 and the .22 for less than that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colster Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 (edited) he's feeding you a load of bull poo as for a decent setup cost with scope buying new you should be able to get the HMR for under £500 and the .22 for less than that Yeh to be fair I was quoting him out of context, this explains the point he was making better really. I do keep the bunnies I shoot to cook up so I wouldn't want them too shredded and also would do the same with squirrels (if they're on the ground) so the less mess the bullet makes of them the better. Wouldn't want happening to them. As for money, I figured around £500 including scope but I might just get a £40ish Richter Optik and swap it with the Varmint II off my spinger. The CZ American Silhouette is looking nice so far... Edited August 6, 2009 by Colster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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