pavman Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 Guys I am still doing the homework and the new glass is still in the balance, 90% of my Foxing is single handed ambush based sit and wait, with scope mounted lampforce 170, the 243 ticket should arrive soon but my thoughts are to get the new glass on the .223 to spread the cost, many thanks to all who have helped thus far, my choice seems to lead to the nightforce or the Z6, 2.5-15X56 i have seen on other posts that the LF is not so good for lamping due to poor lamp light intake when you poke the mag up a tad? but ace for bench shooting, now if you own a Z6 and use as I intend plz comment, also do you use the ballistic turret feature? is it usefull, please no my best mates dads sisters boyfriend has one and says it ace.... just first hand info plz, many thanks its a lot of poke to splash out and get it wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
v-max Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 Hi i dont know much on the newer swarovski but have an older model & cant fault it & i know fact that swarovski customer care is exelent & reapair is quite often free. As for NF dont let anyone tell you other wise they are **** compared with S/B-zeiss-swarovski for your low light & optical quality. Dont get me wrong the NF are a good benchrest scope but for early/late adventures foxing they just dont cut it. I dont thing you will go far wrong with the swarovski you are looking at even get a sun shade for the lamping to keep the glare down & once you set the balistic turrets they are kind of idiot proof buy the looks of them rather than BDC turrets which have there purpose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeymagic1969 Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 Moses is the man to speak to - he uses one if not 2 of these scopes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavman Posted August 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 Just found they dont do a screw cut for sun shade add ons to cut glare from the scope mounted 170,,, come to that nor do the other big names when you get to 56mm back to the thinking cap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 I don't own a Z6 Pav, but I have looked through Drovers 2-12x50 one and it is superb. Pity he doesn't really frequent the forums you could drop him a PM and see if he picks that up, he has other top end glass as well so he can make comparisons. I would have thought a 50mm lens with top glass/coatings would pull in a decent amount of light, but will let the actual owners comment on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funky Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 Hi dont see why you need 56 or a 50 as when lamping light emitted from the lamp illuminates target cross hairs are visible dont even know why you a going for a swarovski yes they are good but Schmidt and Bender Rule. Dont get suckered into big apiture glass with zoom paralex adjustment yes it all serves a purpose at 1000 yards. Think of you avarage range say 100 200 yards tops on a .243 your flat to those ranges so no need for balistic turrets. unless your having ideas of being gunery sergant Thomas Becket The truth is that we all do this and thats get suckered into buying scopes that are bigger than the rifles we put them on and far to powerfull for the job this unbalnaces the gun makes it heavy and to have anything decent that does 1/4 MOA at 100 and is clear at all mags say 6 24 x56 or even 2.5-15 x 50 will set you back almost 1 & 1/2 grand. Yes go for Swarovski or S&B but keep it simple a variable powered scope say 3 12 x 44 no ballistic turret as if we have time toRange target, adjust fire when foxing anyway specially at night shouldering a weapon calling looking through a scope with a lite beam out at 200 yards :D Keep it real or you will be waisting your cash mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyCM Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 Hi dont see why you need 56 or a 50 as when lamping light emitted from the lamp illuminates target cross hairs are visible dont even know why you a going for a swarovski yes they are good but Schmidt and Bender Rule. Dont get suckered into big apiture glass with zoom paralex adjustment yes it all serves a purpose at 1000 yards. Think of you avarage range say 100 200 yards tops on a .243 your flat to those ranges so no need for balistic turrets. unless your having ideas of being gunery sergant Thomas Becket The truth is that we all do this and thats get suckered into buying scopes that are bigger than the rifles we put them on and far to powerfull for the job this unbalnaces the gun makes it heavy and to have anything decent that does 1/4 MOA at 100 and is clear at all mags say 6 24 x56 or even 2.5-15 x 50 will set you back almost 1 & 1/2 grand. Yes go for Swarovski or S&B but keep it simple a variable powered scope say 3 12 x 44 no ballistic turret as if we have time toRange target, adjust fire when foxing anyway specially at night shouldering a weapon calling looking through a scope with a lite beam out at 200 yards :D Keep it real or you will be waisting your cash mate. one question if I may.......Do you own a centrefire? Ok, two.....Have you ever sat up at dusk without a lamp? Cheers AndyCM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 one question if I may.......Do you own a centrefire?Ok, two.....Have you ever sat up at dusk without a lamp? Cheers AndyCM You put that politely, Andy. Pavman is not wasting his cash. Why do the Germans, who are legally permitted to hunt at night using moonlight only, stick almost religiously to x56 scopes? It's because they perform significantly better than x44 lenses in the gloom. So why limit yourself, if you have a genuine need and aren't constrained by a budget? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 Have you ruled out S&B and Zeiss Pav? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavman Posted August 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 (edited) Have you ruled out S&B and Zeiss Pav? I have a S&B 8X56 fixed on the .223 and its fantastic at last light, I often sit out in a really big sand pit which i bait, and also sit out single handed on my high seat and truck platform placed to cover the pens, sooner or later you get a walk past from a ginger poult killer, i try not to lamp until i really have too and then as little as often, when its almost dark the S&B still gives a clear view and is tops in a good moon...... however the ret i have and fixed mag means 200 is about as much as i want to point it at on live quarry, i have shot a few now at that range and windage is a problem at times on the east coast (we get lots of gales off the sea) which is why i am on 75 grains in the 8 twist, they dont drift much so you just need to hold over a tad, When static (high seat etc) at times you cant get a Fox to come in closer no matter what you do and quite a few times I have had one at around 300 milling about in full open view and not been able to take the shot, I had one looking for worms after rain on fresh plough once at dusk and the Tikka is good for it but not the glass fitted, so I missed that chance Thought i would treat myself for the 243 but its turning into a nightmare..... the new S&B PMII is £2000 and way over the top, i also really like a mill dot ret (am used to it on the HMR) as i know where I am and all the distances on my permission..... It seems most if not all top end glass now has no screw cut for sun shades (to stop mod glare) once you get to 56mm, my S&B is fitted with 4 extensions and it works! so i keep looking Edited August 7, 2009 by pavman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 (edited) Unfortunately, what you want sounds like a top of the shop Swaro scope. The starting point though is that for lamping and late night shooting I would get an illuminated reticule. That's my preference - I don't like a burning bright reticule but I want to be sure where the middle of the cross hairs is against the gloom and I find it helps me with target acquisition when someone else is lamping. However, if you want to do long range / zoomy shooting and lamping then it's not going to work for you. There maybe a massively expensive Swaro out there for the job. I have two S&B variable scopes a 3-10x56 and a 3-12x56 both with IR. When lamping at night I end up winding the magnification right back down because otherwise you can't see nowt - all sorts of issues here. For lamping, I don't think you can beat a fixed 8x56 rig but where does that leave you if you fancy doing some rangey stuff in better light? Who knows. To be honest, my ringer goes on anything rangey and I don't bother with any of it any more. My permission is too flat for that and there are too many foot paths and metal detector types. You should do a side by side test and look through an 8x56 Swaro and then look through some zoomy scope wound up to the max to see if the difference in magnification justifies the price tag (but always bearing in mind just precisely how much long range shooting you really will be doing). EDIT: Dan if you are interested in one of my variable magnification S&B scopes then let me know - the scopes are wasted on me because they stay fixed on No. 8 mag. Edited August 7, 2009 by Mungler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 Actually, following on from the above I think there should be an anonymous poll on here (no names, no pack drill and no admissions): "Have you ever pulled the trigger and your ringer as gone or you have asked yourself the question 'I wonder where that ended up'" Obviously, I couldn't comment because for me it's back stop back stop back stop all day and night long Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 Pav I have had S&B's in fixed 7x42 and 8x56 so I know what you mean about the reticles. Some variable's have the reticle in the first image plane and some in the second I have one of each, but is sounds like you need second image plane, i.e. the reticle is not maginfied as you zoom in. What about Zeiss? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavman Posted August 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 (edited) Actually, following on from the above I think there should be an anonymous poll on here (no names, no pack drill and no admissions): "Have you ever pulled the trigger and your ringer as gone or you have asked yourself the question 'I wonder where that ended up'" Obviously, I couldn't comment because for me it's back stop back stop back stop all day and night long Pav I have had S&B's in fixed 7x42 and 8x56 so I know what you mean about the reticles.Some variable's have the reticle in the first image plane and some in the second I have one of each, but is sounds like you need second image plane, i.e. the reticle is not maginfied as you zoom in. What about Zeiss? Mung, Ref Quarry I am shooting down in all cases not flat (not ever) I shot from straw stacks, High seat and truck platforms I either hit the target or the dirt I even zero in a sand pit from the truck platform What I wish to get is a fine IR mil dot ret, good light sucking hence the 56 objective and the ability to add shades to stop mod glare with the scope mounted lightforce 170,,,, I can get all that in most top names but for some stupid reason they no longer seem to screw cut the 56mm scopes to take shades, I think S&B still do but the cost of the new ones in kinda scary Edited August 7, 2009 by pavman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 Well after all that, have you considered a £7 sleeve for your mod to cut out the glare? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavman Posted August 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 Well after all that, have you considered a £7 sleeve for your mod to cut out the glare? I did that with that S&B to start with and quite frankly its not gonna happen again standards old chap, standards, why next thing you will be telling me to fit a kitchen roll tube Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 Actually a piece of plastic waste pipe should do the job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 Something in box steel surely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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pavman Posted August 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 Something in box steel surely? Mung do you lamp solo? If so what do you do? do you suffer from glare is it the lamp or the bald head? I guess i know the answer,, I have an image of a band of Lackey types doing your bidding at every turn, a kind of old colonial gent with his band of man servants , a bag man a lamp man etc…… by God look at that Ginger blighter, lamp if you please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavman Posted August 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 Update the nice man called me back to say the 56mm Z6 is cut with a M58X0.75 but they dont do a shade...... Is this a standard size or camera shade size??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackley Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 (edited) Guys I am still doing the homework and the new glass is still in the balance, 90% of my Foxing is single handed ambush based sit and wait, with scope mounted lampforce 170, the 243 ticket should arrive soon but my thoughts are to get the new glass on the .223 to spread the cost, many thanks to all who have helped thus far, my choice seems to lead to the nightforce or the Z6, 2.5-15X56 i have seen on other posts that the LF is not so good for lamping due to poor lamp light intake when you poke the mag up a tad? but ace for bench shooting, now if you own a Z6 and use as I intend plz comment, also do you use the ballistic turret feature? is it usefull, please no my best mates dads sisters boyfriend has one and says it ace.... just first hand info plz, many thanks its a lot of poke to splash out and get it wrong I use a Z6i with ballistic turret,the quality of the optics is stunning,the ballistic turret is also superb,I do stretch the legs on my rifle hence why I use this scope,the turret ir zeroed at 200 yards then set at 300,400 and 500 yards you will not be dissapointed i also have a Nightforce on my matching rifle this is no where the same quality BUT I prefer the smaller dot on the NP2DD for long range shooting Edited August 7, 2009 by Ackley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavman Posted August 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 I use a Z6i with ballistic turret,the quality of the optics is stunning,the ballistic turret is also superb,I do stretch the legs on my rifle hence why I use this scope,the turret ir zeroed at 200 yards then set at 300,400 and 500 yardsyou will not be dissapointed i also have a Nightforce on my matching rifle this is no where the same quality BUT I prefer the smaller dot on the NP2DD for long range shooting More please my panties are getting moist give me the whole set up details if you dont mind.... lovin it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackley Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 More please my panties are getting moist give me the whole set up details if you dont mind.... lovin it you mean like this pair of rifles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackley Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 More please my panties are getting moist give me the whole set up details if you dont mind.... lovin it or this one my mate has for sale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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