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3 hours ago, oowee said:
What is the democratic thing to do if the people have changed their mind?
Well that's funny "this is a once in a lifetime vote said Cameron!!" They've yet to act on the vote.
I imagine some have changed their minds, on both sides. But we voted, biggest ever turn out and were still waiting for the result to be accepted and acted on.
OUT won, democracy demands we leave otherwise anarchy will rule.
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1 hour ago, grrclark said:
Certainly never in my experience, if someone is not up to the job then get it's get rid. If you are on such unsafe ground that you worry that a punitive award from a tribunal is going to cost you a fortune then as an employer you have gone badly wrong.
I've been told by supervisors its almost impossible to sack someone just because their useless, I've worked with people who you know shouldn't be allowed set jobs, average when it comes to operating and you have to reset the machines and start again. You can almost guarantee what they have done is wrong but they can't be sacked.
I've never understood it 🤔
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2 minutes ago, ShootingEgg said:
Oh im not doubting the quality or the ethics, great conditions and farming. Just feel it was put across in a way that maybe it wasn't the right choice. Maybe just how i saw it.
With you now, I took it as they don't know how things will go, some people will always go with cheaper food and vise versa,
I thought it was interesting as they had voted leave despite probably getting grants and having a vested interest in the European market.
Who asked about how farmers voted a while back Raja?
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35 minutes ago, ShootingEgg said:
And alot of danish pork comes here, so if they thought clever they'd chamge the model and provide the UK as the main income. That story was set up to make you think leave was a bad choice, they all voted but now worry etc.... Scare story set up by towniefile, ask clever questions to get the right answers..
Didn't come across like that, they said they supply to the British market but its not a huge market because of what cuts of pork we eat, they are top end price wise because of the welfare standards they employ, the pigs looked great and very happy in great conditions.
one of the sisters said she has travelled all round the world looking at different ways of farming livestock and said usa was the worse by far.
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It looks like something that should be on antiques roadshow, i cant imagine there being many complete sets box and all like that especially in such good condition
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Just seen a bit of last weeks countryfile, they were talking to a family of pig farmers this week about brexit, most of their produce goes to Europe and yet they all voted leave except the dad!! Even knowing it would and could affect the family business, Morgan was the name.
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4 hours ago, fern01 said:
They would be almost works of art now.
7 hours ago, steve_b_wales said:7 hours ago, ditchman said:oh wow...........................that is a cartographers set..............i had one ....bit bigger than that and a bit older...i was young and sold it
beautiful piece of work
Stunning, glad its not rusty having been sat in a garage.
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52 minutes ago, figgy said:
Wife had third place, then one fell jury duty and not sure where the other came she backed.
Shame about the horse that had to be put to sleep after falling at the first fence, could see it's legs going trying but not getting off its side.
yes its never nice, but unfortunately happens.
we picked horses, kids got 4th and 5th daughter liked the name, lad liked the colours, mine and the wifes didn't finish.
kids thought it was very funny that they did best.
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15 hours ago, panoma1 said:
Many, many people at work (including those that do very menial and low paid jobs) suffer bullying, coercion, intimidation, descrimination, name calling, etc from co workers and management, to the point they become ill and sometimes take their own life..........they suffer it because to complain would probably cost them their livelihood.........I doubt a footballer suffering name calling from individuals in the crowd is under the same mental pressure, his livelihood isn't at risk if he speaks out, and his health and his life isn't at risk if he suffers it in silence.
But then again the mistreatment, bullying and name calling of people in the work environment is not illegal..........unless they fit into a category that ends in 'ism
As you say many people will be bullied or worse , so a high profile footballer definitely should be using his status to try and stamp the abuse out, I've been to three football games and been amazed at the things shouted, you do that at a rugby game and your getting kicked out.
As for your final comment yes it is illegal, you should not be bullied or called names or mistreated in the work place, problem is some people will accept it to keep a job.
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11 hours ago, oowee said:
You have to also spare a thought for the Civil Servants in this process. There are not many of us on this forum that would be prepared to work 12 hour days over the last year or so and give up weekends at short notice without any recompense. Talking to a couple of friends that have been dragged in from energy to trade that have worked best part of 55 hours a week for last three weeks. Whatever happened to EU working time directive?
It would be nice to think that the politicians would recognise the failure of the systems to deal with such political issues which are going to get a lot worse yet and move to a greater representative system. I doubt that will happen wwe have a lot more lurching left to right and procrastination, deadlock before we get to sensible cooperation.
oowee, really, were you expecting sympathy. Can't think when i last did a job and didn't sign to ignore the working time directive for 48 hrs, many people regularly work a 55hr week as standard to make a decent wage, without the perks a civil servant will get.
Not having a pop at you personally but the 55hrs comment did make me laugh.
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1 hour ago, ditchman said:
all this snipe-ing is getting boring ...........................face facts none of us small people can do a thing about what is about to happen...............the real stuff what you can get involved in is to VOTE.....
THAT IS WHEN THE REAL EXCREMENT WILL HAPPEN...........
trouble is the politicians dont realise that yet..........
your right again Ditchy, I've just skipped through the last few pages thinking bla bla bla,
has nothing happened other than folk going over the same things again and again, its like bleeding brexit.
2 hours ago, Jaymo said:It’s not so little ( where’s a winking emoji when u need one) ?
Here you go 😉😉😉
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47 minutes ago, sportsbob said:
BBC QUESTION TIME there's a bloke on there tearing into the been presenter about he's the only one out of 6 that is a brexiteer. Not watching it live bit it's certainly entertaining.
had a quick look, how does the labour MP, big fella, really think ordinary people are going to loose money and jobs? While all those from Cambridge and Eton will be ok? What a muppet, such a chip on his shoulder about class and i was dragged up proper 😋
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59 minutes ago, Davyo said:
They are all lying about getting a pot hole. filled in mate.The very same pot they are all trying to claim the credit for getting fixed.Its still there, when filling in potholes is more creditable than sorting crime what's the point.
Having a look at the Durham County Council councillors expenditure sheets make you want to puke.Once elected you never see them ever.Oh unless you look in the local bookies or Social Club.
Then further up the chain you have the leader of Durham CC who wiped out 4m debt for Durham County Cricket Club.The very same scumbag who has a private box in that big fancy ground at Chesterlee Street. Local councilors lining there pockets with on average end of year13k expenses sheets.While all our schools are losing vital support staff who after 24 yrs service are being made redundant (minimum redundancy) Which is less than the average expense sheet for a local councillor
I know what you mean, problem is when we don't vote its just a smaller turn out surely?
Have to say I'm quite happy with most things in my area, schools could do with a better budget but that's probably the same everywhere, can't say everything is perfect but I'm sure it could be worse.
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But its not a GE, are you not bothered what happens in your local area?
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9 minutes ago, walshie said:
still can't get my head round giving someone loads of money and they give us some back and tell us what we have to spend it on. It's like a kid giving his Dad his paper round money and Dad giving him an allowance, but giving some to the kid next door who doesn't have a paper round. Absolutely crackers.
It's about right though, how many of the 27 countries are doing well? France Germany Holland and I've no idea on the rest, France aren't doing that well, otherwise there wouldn't be riots would there?
So how many of the other 24 are happy doing as their told to keep taking the hand outs shoring up their failing economies?
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20 minutes ago, ditchman said:
watched the vote last night.....ugh..............i dispair ...what a horrible mess this is now and it is going to get worse............
i really think this could have all been avoided..........if we had sent a team of proper negociators to the EU in the first place and not leave it to politico's........
we have local elections here shortly...then followed by a general election no doubt.........then parliament is going to really get messy...........all because we sent a oily rag to the EU instead of an engineer............
The vote was only to "ask" for a longer extension wasn't it? Europe have said they won't give us one, so might well kick is out before their elections??
And i think your being hard on the oily rag
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8 minutes ago, walshie said:
You're right. There is no excuse for extremists on either end of the spectrum. The issue is labelling everyone right of centre as "far right" or "alt-right" (whatever that means.) Calling anyone with conservative (small c) views, fascists, racists, nazis, bigots, etc, in my mind makes the labels meaningless. Perhaps if they weren't bandied about at every opportunity, they might be taken more seriously. You can't lump people like me in with the likes of the EDL, BNP etc. Well you can, but you'd be wrong. I dislike them every bit as much as I dislike the opposite end.
This country and quite a few others, is being pushed to the right as a backlash of the insidious advance of the left and being expected to take the left view as "normal" and everything else as something-ist. The government has made it impossible for people to air their worries or opinions for fear of being something-ist, and because we don't, they think "Well no-one is complaining, so everything is hunky-dory." Well newsflash - it isn't and now a few people are waking up to it.
I despise the EU and all it stands for. I hate my country being inundated with the dregs of the earth. I hate not being able to speak freely. I will not call a man in a frock "she" just because they want me to and I won't be told I have to. For this, I risk being arrested? That's mental. I don't care what people do with their own lives, but when their "rights" risk sending me to jail, something is very wrong. If I spoke out about any religion, I'd risk the same, but other religions can call for our soldiers to be murdered and nothing is done? Why could Jon Snow say he never saw so many white people but I couldn't say I never saw so many black people without being accused of racism? The police spend all their time trying to catch people "misgendering" or writing offensive tweets they have no time to deal with the real crime like people being stabbed daily in London.
As a white, British, heterosexual, fairly fit, working male, my rights have been flushed down the bog and I want them back. I am not a second class citizen in my own country. I'm not a racist, sexist, activist, fascist, transphobic, homophobic, anything else ist or phobic and above all, I'm not an uneducated thug, and I will push back against anyone who suggests I am.
Sorry for the rant mate.
Your not alone 👍
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2 hours ago, Raja Clavata said:
I see the cat has taken misquoting to a whole new level 😛
The discussion on the thread took an interesting twist earlier and I'm not sure I followed everything.
Was the assertion that it's the loony leftists fault that some people are moving further and further right? If so what happened to people being accountable for their own choices.
I appreciate this is a sensitive issue but I'm left wondering how far right you need to go before you do become a bonafide racist xenophobic nut job (by definition).
The other point that sits rather uncomfortably with me is the rhetoric around democracy being perverted by thwarting Brexit and how previous generations fought for that democracy against, err how do I put this, far right nut-jobs in Germany.
I'm not necessarily looking for responses on these points and certainly not looking for confrontation but I'm confident I'm not the only one who considered the above...
Well for me Mr Corbyn is loony left, thinks Venezuela works great, sympathises with terrorists, yes no maybe?
As to where the Tories are? Probably left of middle maybe, which compared to the loony left seems far right? Anyone still with me, which probably makes the likes of BNP extremely right? We certainly don't need extreme anything but something is bound to change, it has too.
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1 hour ago, CZ550Kevlar said:
customs union........ why? It makes no sense and has to be worse than no deal AND even now we can't have a no deal due to them pushing this law through tonight.
What law have they passed now??
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I saw the clip today of Gove laying into Corbyn in the house of commons, how do the Tories go from that, to asking for his help??
This is either utter desperation or the sneakiest plan ever?
If labour and SNP get there act together this could be very dangerous, neither want to leave European rule.
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1 hour ago, welsh1 said:
Thank goodness there were no mobile phones around in my time in the forces.
I've got a great caption on my phone, I'm glad I grew up in the 80s & 90s I did so much crazy stuff and there's no record of it!
couldn't use the actual wording 😎
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10 minutes ago, Scully said:
Final word ( promise 😀 ) as something has just occurred to me!
Ironically ( and I’m feeling quite chuffed and vindicated about it if I’m honest! ) this entire travesty and its result has proved to be true, what my only reasons ( as stated often in this thread ) were for voting to leave.....namely that I believe the EU to be undemocratic and inherently corrupt! Sorted. 👍
Bye. Play nice. 🙂
That has only just occurred to you🤔🤔come on really, your joking right??
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Plenty of folk on here take some great pictures
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4 minutes ago, sako751sg said:
Cant believe you have that attitude,did you not see how bad their grouping was?
Shouldn't laugh 🤣🤣🤣
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Heard it called a flextension on the radio this morning 😭😭