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Slow news day in Derby.

They look shocking - never seen them that bad. I have been using Hull cart’s (mainly) for the last 10 years. I hope not to come across any like those. If I do they’re going straight back.

You’re right they are really good 410 cart’s. I like them a lot. Short answer - no it won’t make any difference. It never has for me anyway. I’ve also had plenty of 12 and 20 bore cart’s which have rattled.

Great work - well done!

Sordin - at least I think that’s how you spell it. I use them all the time. Worth noting though, no ear defenders will pick up all the subtle sounds especially in windy conditions. Neither will they tell you exactly which direction the sound is coming from. The only way to really tune in to … say the wings of approaching teal … is with our ears. There will always be a compromise in wearing ear defenders. I always choose to wear them however.

I refer you to the derelict Irish grouse moors, hardly a bird in sight……. of any kind!!

Thanks Conor. I have just written to my MP emphasising the main points. I would urge anyone (hopefully lots of people) who write to their MP - to also insist upon written assurances of support for grouse moors. Try to get some commitment. I appreciate that not all people who shoot will have a direct interest in grouse shooting, however if ‘Wild Injustice’ succeed this will be the thin end of the wedge. We all need to push back.

The advice above is sound - just get a cheapie which is serviceable. Learn to shoot then splash out much later. You’re much more likely to end up with something appropriate to your needs a couple of years down the line - when or if you treat yourself to a posher gun. You will learn to understand which guns feel right for you and why. Better this than making an expensive early mistake. Oh and by the way - hope have a great time! It’s a very pleasant learning journey. Good luck.

Nice offer with all those cartridges. I have the exact same gun - great little piece. This should get snapped up.

Often with dark meat the wound channel isn’t that obvious - unless feathers are drawn into it. Sometimes there’s a little bit of blood, but often not much. Equally, it only takes 3 or 4 pellets to penetrate the bird (on average) for a vital organ to be hit. In other words you don’t need the bird to be peppered for lethal effect. Not seeing a lot of shot holes is normal. In fact, if they’ve got the legs and wings hanging loose, and are full of shot, they’re just ferret food anyway. I would say your friend is doing a good job. 👍

There might have been millions more dead birds if they were any good…!! I don’t usually mind most cartridges - within reason - but these were unusual shall we say…..?

I know that some people will swear by the Eley Grand Prix. Each to their own. However, I spent my time swearing AT them….! I tried a box on pigeons during the summer and found them to be awful. I don’t usually mind what velocity cartridges have - within reason. However these were so slow that I had to give extra lead. I’ve never experienced that before. They didn’t even sound very loud - no umph. I got the impression I may as well have been chucking a hand full of pellets at the pigeons. The next day I went back to my usual Hull cartridge and they worked as a cartridge should. Instant kills and very smooth. P.S I would recommend other Eley cart’s, just not a big fan of the Grand Prix.

This is basically a service failure and needs to be addressed by the commissioners……..urgently. What this must be doing to the local gun trade?!

Mine is similar but must be an earlier type - just folds flat. It fits inside my game bag. Very easy to carry all the same.

I would say the above comments are entirely valid re 30” sporter - if mostly clay shooting. Can also recommend Miroku in terms of quality. Extremely well made for the money. They have made various models with different stock dimensions, so see what fits best. At the end of the day, if it doesn’t fit you’ll be wasting cartridges. BTW sporters make excellent hide guns….. if that’s relevant for you (?).