henry d Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 Story HERE ! No change for our Kenny eh ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashman Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 If you lot can't behave, your devolved knitting circle is within its rights to slap you across the legs with a rule and take away your toys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davie mac Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 I think Scotland will go the same way as N.Ireland were every gun no matter if its a shotgun,airgun or rifle will have to be on a FAC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Downie Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 Blimey. Imagine having an FAC spud gun... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farm boy Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 (edited) It is getting really bad in Scotland ,there is hardly any shops in Glasgow now selling airguns, my Father went into Victor Morris in Argyle St ,(not a good shop ),the other day to buy an Air pistol for some Garden plinking ,and they have stopped selling them ,except for airsoft. Thank goodness I live in England, WEE ECK Salmond and Co, are Banning everything ,They think is Dangerous ,what a Farce, and this Bunch of nobody's want Independance .Heaven help us Scotland will be empty if that lot get there way . People should be educated in the use of Airguns Banning them serves no purpose at all. Edited November 2, 2009 by farm boy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Downie Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 my Father went into Victor Morris in Argyle St Well, to be perfectly honest I'm amazed that shop is still trading at all! When I lived in Glasgow we used to call it 'The Chib Shop'! It was full of just about every tool the aspirant Weegie gangster could ever want, from machetes to medieval maces on chains, and loads of replica handguns which were indistinguishable from the real thing. Not the kind of image you want to be aligning yourself with really, if you want people to respect and accommodate the legitimate use of air guns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farm boy Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 (edited) Well, to be perfectly honest I'm amazed that shop is still trading at all! When I lived in Glasgow we used to call it 'The Chib Shop'! It was full of just about every tool the aspirant Weegie gangster could ever want, from machetes to medieval maces on chains, and loads of replica handguns which were indistinguishable from the real thing. Not the kind of image you want to be aligning yourself with really, if you want people to respect and accommodate the legitimate use of air guns. You are right Al it was the chib shop ,they did themselves no favours!! by there over the top displays ,I was only using Victor Morris as an Example, they did sell some decent airguns among all the tat , I told my Dad to go to Crockets instead , They do have a more discreet Gun Department , or at least did the last time I was there, with the VCR act many people who would have bought a gun online are now Banjaxed!! At least in England you have more choice and you are never that far from a shop that sells Airguns , I have at least 6 within a short drive from me . ps Victor Morris used to be a camera and HI FI shop , his son started selling the guns and weapons, my Dad new Victor back in the 1960s Edited November 2, 2009 by farm boy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aldous Huxley Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 De-evolution has just been one of the biggest wastes of the public purse in many years? Quite how it can be cost effective to have two govts going the job of one, what would Picard and Riker say ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet boy Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 I think the guy has gone mad,especially after letting the Lockerbie Bomber go!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiiithy Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 I think it could be time to open a gun shop in Berwick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aldous Huxley Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 De-evolution has just been one of the biggest wastes of the public purse in many years? Quite how it can be cost effective to have two govts going the job of one, what would Picard and Riker say ? Their fathers sperm will be turning in their grand fathers testes with shame... :yp: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulpicide Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 Try tackle & guns pollokshaws road Glasgow, this is the same MacAskill that was jailed after being found lying pished in the street after a game at Wembley he wants US to drink responsibly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike2 Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 So, Have we all signed http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/ScottishGunBan/ ? 11,000 signatures were allegedly on the Scottish petition to ban airguns - we're around 4,500 at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buchangun Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 (edited) I hope they do make airguns licenced - most law abiding people would have little to fear of this , I think lot of the people who have a problem with this are the ones who would fail the FAC / Shotgun licence criteria who are probably not the best people to own an air gun . Radical I know and I'm no tree hugger but if shooting is to survive we need to maintain our credabillity - the less Neds running around in the inercity estates with airguns the better. Ps - I have an opinion on Scottish Law and I live here! Edited December 3, 2009 by buchangun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlander Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 Q: Who voted for a devolved, over priced, next to useless Scottish Parliament anyway? A: Numpties. We just need to rid our own government of the sweatys and we'll be back to business as normal. but bearing in mind taht we in England also have too many MPs from over the border who are paying us back for 700 years of English rule we can't say too much...Only I for one NEVER voted for this shower of s**** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike2 Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 I hope they do make airguns licenced - most law abiding people would have little to fear of this , Sorry Buchangun, but I disagree. In 1988 the number of certificates were at their height, then the 1988 Firearms (Amendment) Act was passed putting shotguns under a strictly controlled licensing regime. The results over the years has been a reduction by about a third of all certificates - for legally held guns which caused little or no injury. We are STILL finding shotguns from that time which are not on certificates. Now have a look at http://psa.bizhosting.com/Interesting.html under "Ten Years After" and "of interest to every shooter in the UK" to see the government figures, and then tell the victims that licensing has protected them from harm. All licensing does is cause cost and inconvenience to the lawful shooter and give the police a whole lot of extra work licensing the law-abiding, whilst the criminals continue to do what they do best - completely ignoring the law. You might also see what the (Westminister) Government says about licensing airguns - Licence air weapons...... The Government has rejected this option because it would be a costly and disproportionate response to the problem. There are between 4 and 7 million air weapons in the country, the majority of which are used responsibly. Licensing them all in order to tackle a minority of careless owners would be wasteful of police resources. then there is the matter of someone who might have suffered from depression at one time or another - fully recovered - do you think the police will issue a certificate? Reformed alcoholic? Brother a criminal? Been a bit of a lad in your teens?- All could get refused. How to get into the sport of shooting? The easiest way is to buy an air rifle and plink in your back garden; But if this involves getting a police visit, and having to pay for a licence? I'd guess it would close THAT avenue into our sport very quickly. There are other matters, such as the fact that there is less airgun crime in Scotland than there is in England & Wales, but I won't go on - it would become counter-productive. Suffice it to say that licensing doesn't work - ask the victims. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utectok Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 well I think it's pretty foolish to legislate most gun crimes are done by unlicenced weapons anyway and it will just add paperwork and cost money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted December 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 How to get into the sport of shooting? The easiest way is to buy an air rifle and plink in your back garden; But if this involves getting a police visit, and having to pay for a licence? I'd guess it would close THAT avenue into our sport very quickly. Now if I were you I would dig back into our archives and see the sort of idiotic and irresponsible questions/statements that these less repressed people have posted here and some sort of compromise has to be taken. Any kind of muppet/ned/irresponsible nut can and does buy airgunsand uses them in a wrong manner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewdavidson Posted December 6, 2009 Report Share Posted December 6, 2009 (edited) ******** to kenny Edited December 6, 2009 by andrewdavidson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buchangun Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 (edited) then there is the matter of someone who might have suffered from depression at one time or another - fully recovered - do you think the police will issue a certificate? Reformed alcoholic? Brother a criminal? Been a bit of a lad in your teens?- All could get refused. - and they should be refused - Gun ownership is a privilege and not a right and some people will not be entitled some times due to bad luck other due to their own actions. All the examples are good reasons some one should not get access to a gun - previous criminal behaviour or the close proximity of criminals is obvious and reformed or cured conditions still shows an individuals pre disposition for a condition that gun ownership would not be recomended. Edited December 7, 2009 by buchangun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike2 Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 Buchangun said - Gun ownership is a privilege and not a right If fact it is NOT a priviledge, it is a qualified right in law: the law clearly says that the Chief Officer SHALL issue a certificate unless there are good reasons for not doing so. Therefore everyone has a right to a firearm certificate IF they are not a danger to the public safety, are not prohibited by law, and have good reason to possess each gun: a qualified right. To say that someone should be refused a certificate because they were once depressed because (for example) a member of thier family died seems more than draconian. If you have five speeding convictions over five years does that count? How about someone who went through a bad patch ten years ago and drank too much but is now fully recovered? Would you refuse certificates to them? I'm sure that wasn't what you meant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breastman Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 Suffice it to say that licensing doesn't work - ask the victims. I'm sure Alison Chapman (surviving victim of ryan) would agree. Interesting comment from her @ 6:00 name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src=" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object> "> name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src=" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object> " type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350"> Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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