ME Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 I like to buy and sell stuff, but not as much as others and not necessarily guns. Some of the Essex boys buy and sell guns for their own amusement and enjoyment .......and keep Essex Police in big yearly fees for variations. At what point will the FEO say that you need to become an RFD ?? What does RFD status involve ? NB - I dont want to be an RFD, it is just a conversation we had this morning.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 If you trade, or it's a business then you must register as a RFD, irrespective of the amount of guns you buy/sell. I think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ME Posted January 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 If you trade, or it's a business then you must register as a RFD, irrespective of the amount of guns you buy/sell. I think I know that some people with many guns are encouraged to be an RFD regardless of whether they trade or buy to sell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 As said this morning, a guy at my local rifle club collects old rifles, in particular Lee Enfields and anything with a history. After so many variations Essex Police decided to give him a RFD ticket to save their paperwork. He still has to have his own FAC though. He turned up at the club just before christmas with a .50 cal anti aircraft gut complete with tripod and some dummy rounds turned from a BSA .22 barrel so it would fire .22 rounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6shot Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 If you trade, or it's a business then you must register as a RFD, irrespective of the amount of guns you buy/sell. I think i think your right. if not from a law point of veiw then defo from a tax point of veiw. gordon brown needs his pound of flesh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 I believe, from conversations with shooters who have tried this, that you have to prove you are earning your living from trading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 Lifted from Durham police website. All persons engaged by way of trade or business in the manufacture, sale or transfer of firearms or ammunition to which section 1 of the 1968 Act (as amended) applies, or shotguns, must be registered as a firearms dealer. This requirement also includes those persons engaged in the repair, test or proving of such firearms or ammunition. A registered firearms dealer is exempt from requiring a firearm or shotgun certificate by virtue of section 8 (1) of the 1968 Act, which covers his purchase, acquisition or possession of firearms and ammunition, in the ordinary course of the dealer's business anywhere in Great Britain. It extends to the dealer and his servants. However, a firearm dealer may not have a firearm, shotgun or ammunition in his possession, for his own personal use, unless he holds a firearm or shotgun certificate authorising him to do so. An application to become a registered firearm dealer must be made to the Chief Officer of Police for the area where the place of business is situated. It must be made on form 116 and the applicant must provide the prescribed particulars. There is a fee payable, (see fees and charges). A firearm dealer, who is already registered, wishing to open an additional place of business within the same police area must apply on form 116a providing the prescribed particulars. Where a dealer has a place of business in more than one police area, he must apply for registration to the Chief Officer of Police for each area. Firearm dealers wishing to carry on business, including exhibiting for the purpose of his business, at game fairs or exhibitions in another police area, should apply for registration with the Chief Officer of Police for that area. There is an additional fee payable. (see fees and charges) Once issued, a dealers certificate of registration continues in force for a period of three years from the grant of the certificate of registration. Section 33 (5) of the Act, as amended, provides for a registered dealer to surrender his certificate to the Chief Officer of Police, on or before the expiration of this period and to apply for a new certificate using the prescribed form 116. It should be noted that those dealers wishing to manufacture, sell, transfer, purchase, acquire, or possess prohibited weapons as defined by section 5 of the Act, as amended (see prohibited weapons), must also make a separate application to The Secretary of State at The Home Office for such permission. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CZ550Kevlar Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 There are two schools of thought. one says that the police will question as to why you are buying and selling so many guns and will advise you that you need to register as a RFD, the other school of thought is that some people become RFD`s so they can indulge themselves and buy whatever new toy they want to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 So.....next question...... do you think there would be much interest if you became an RFD for the purpose of being a contact point, as in people selling and buying guns and using you as a "swap" point and charging a small fee....ie smaller than those RFD's that complain its not worth the effort? shaun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mowdy Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 When you get a RFD you are also liable to have a call from H M R Customs and Excise looking for vat and income tax as you may be classed as a business in there eyes and you may get stung for tax as a person that i know was . Bob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy H Posted January 18, 2010 Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 (edited) what you also need to take into account is the security requirments :Alarm system has to be installed by ssiab/nacoss company no home installed system allowed ,A grand minimum and then the monitoring of the alarm it has to be redcare or dualcom £400 quid a year and then the gun cabinets you will need a little bit more than a 5 gun under the stairs . I had to convert my small box room into a mini fortress ie: the door was lined with a 2 mm steel skin with 2 x5 lever locks on it together with re-enforced door frame and then i had the option of putting bars on the window or a steel shutter but managed to get away with some 25mm thick plexiglass the type they use on bullet resistent screens in post offices and banks and then there is the steel mesh 1/4" min that i had to put into the loft above tho box room , And after all that are the visits to check your register and the phone calls from all over the country from different police forces to do a check on the various movements of an individual firearm eg ( can you confirm that you transferred a 30-06 zg47 brno to a mr J Smith on such and such a date) ,And this can happen at any time of the day All this to help out my local club and do arms fairs , I managed it for 10 years and made more of a hole in my bank account than a profit. Edited January 18, 2010 by Andy H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted January 18, 2010 Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 what you also need to take into account is the security requirments :Alarm system has to be installed by ssiab/nacoss company no home installed system allowed ,A grand minimum and then the monitoring of the alarm it has to be redcare or dualcom £400 quid a year and then the gun cabinets you will need a little bit more than a 5 gun under the stairs . I had to convert my small box room into a mini fortress ie: the door was lined with a 2 mm steel skin with 2 x5 lever locks on it together with re-enforced door frame and then i had the option of putting bars on the window or a steel shutter but managed to get away with some 25mm thick plexiglass the type they use on bullet resistent screens in post offices and banks and then there is the steel mesh 1/4" min that i had to put into the loft above tho box room , And after all that are the visits to check your register and the phone calls from all over the country from different police forces to do a check on the various movements of an individual firearm eg ( can you confirm that you transferred a 30-06 zg47 brno to a mr J Smith on such and such a date) ,And this can happen at any time of the day All this to help out my local club and do arms fairs , I managed it for 10 years and made more of a hole in my bank account than a profit. Good point well made... shaun... It was just a thought... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted January 18, 2010 Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 So.....next question...... do you think there would be much interest if you became an RFD for the purpose of being a contact point, as in people selling and buying guns and using you as a "swap" point and charging a small fee....ie smaller than those RFD's that complain its not worth the effort? shaun whats the point though going through all the hoops and staying in all day waiting for a courier to collect or deliver a gun for peanuts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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