Wrighty112 Posted March 27, 2010 Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 Ive been in the army cadets and the TA to so I'm not a novice to shooting, however i'm new to shotguns so just little confussed. When a catridge discharges the gas enters the gas parts into the gas cilinder and forces the piston to recoil the bolt... Removing the spent catridge an reloading a fresh one. That's all fair an well but a mate said that shotguns also use the force from the carriage to force the bolt back once released from the barrel (if u get my meaning) Is this true? If So it could answer a few questions. Cheers in advance :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markm Posted March 27, 2010 Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 Beretta (as well as many other makers) - gas operated like you say. Benelli - recoil operated, the advantage being less cleaning needed. Ive been in the army cadets and the TA to so I'm not a novice to shooting, however i'm new to shotguns so just little confussed. When a catridge discharges the gas enters the gas parts into the gas cilinder and forces the piston to recoil the bolt... Removing the spent catridge an reloading a fresh one. That's all fair an well but a mate said that shotguns also use the force from the carriage to force the bolt back once released from the barrel (if u get my meaning) Is this true? If So it could answer a few questions. Cheers in advance :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delbert Posted March 27, 2010 Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 Yes thats it in a nutshell there are inertia recoil and gas operated my Beretta 302 is gas operated I have used the old type Browning A5 recoil where the barrel moved back during the shot and which I wasn't happy with, I believe Franchi still use that system. Benelli use the inertia system which is explained here well enough to confuse me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrighty112 Posted March 27, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 Cheers guys... Do some guns use both gas an inertia system?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweedledee Posted March 27, 2010 Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 no one or the other Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casts_by_fly Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 Yes thats it in a nutshell there are inertia recoil and gas operated my Beretta 302 is gas operatedI have used the old type Browning A5 recoil where the barrel moved back during the shot and which I wasn't happy with, I believe Franchi still use that system. Benelli use the inertia system which is explained here well enough to confuse me. delbert, Just curious, but what didn't you like about the long recoil action that made you get rid of it? Yes, the Franchi 48 AL, browning A5, and Remington 48 all use the same long recoil style action. There are a few other guns that do, but you won't see them in this country. The benelli's and their progeny use the inertia recoil system which is effectively the same (the recoil of the cartridge moves the bolt backwards against a spring which closes the action after the cartridge is ejected). The difference is that the Benelli uses a small, stiff spring inside the bolt while the long recoil guns have a big, softer spring on the mag tube. Thanks Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 Beretta (as well as many other makers) - gas operated like you say.Benelli - recoil operated, the advantage being less cleaning needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 Cheers guys... Do some guns use both gas an inertia system?? As already said, its one or the other, I've never come accross a mixed system...who knows, but it would be interesting I favour the Benelli recoil system from a cleaning point of view, but for usage I prefer the gas system. So perhaps if someone can invent a gas system that stays as clean as the recoil system they would be on a winner...Beretta keep trying but have a long way to go yet! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berettaman Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 As already said, its one or the other, I've never come accross a mixed system...who knows, but it would be interesting I favour the Benelli recoil system from a cleaning point of view, but for usage I prefer the gas system. So perhaps if someone can invent a gas system that stays as clean as the recoil system they would be on a winner...Beretta keep trying but have a long way to go yet! I have two semis the winchester and the beretta urika 2 and believe me the winchester is the one living in the cabinet,compared to the beretta cleaning the winny is a chore,all the heavy fouling in the beretta is dealt with with the spinning piston,the rest is a doddle ,cleaned in half the time and i choose gas as you get less recoil bit more dirt more stable gun for second shot,in my humble opinion BM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delbert Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 delbert, Just curious, but what didn't you like about the long recoil action that made you get rid of it? Yes, the Franchi 48 AL, browning A5, and Remington 48 all use the same long recoil style action. There are a few other guns that do, but you won't see them in this country. The benelli's and their progeny use the inertia recoil system which is effectively the same (the recoil of the cartridge moves the bolt backwards against a spring which closes the action after the cartridge is ejected). The difference is that the Benelli uses a small, stiff spring inside the bolt while the long recoil guns have a big, softer spring on the mag tube. Thanks Rick Previously I'd shot with a Remington gas operated by comparison I found the Browning rough to shoot and the barrel motion distracting I was offered the A5 at a very very decent price (ex MOD) but even so it was not a gun I'd be comfortable with so I passed on it. I didn't buy my Beretta till years later and I'm still very happy with it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casts_by_fly Posted March 29, 2010 Report Share Posted March 29, 2010 fair enough. I guess I've grown up on the 'double chunk' of the long recoil system (dad has an A5, I have a 48 AL) so I've never found it disconcerting or distracting. By comparison, when I shoot my 1100 20 ga it does feel a bit different. Thanks Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEINVISIBLESCARECROW Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 I've got a Hatsan now but did own a Breda that had a big spring & used recoil to cycle the cart's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrighty112 Posted March 30, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 cheers for the replys, reason i was asking is that i have had problems with my baikal getting stoppages, and the dealer said it was how i was holding and telling me it uses inertia to recoil even though it has a gas recoil system, so took it back again and finially it had stoppages when he tested and an then told me the ejectors faulty... now getting it repaired for free :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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