22-250 or .223

[SPARKIE]

I would like to see an HMR do 200 yards, many people claim it, but I want to see it with my own eyes. 150 yards is more sensible if I am honest.

.223 is more than capable of 300 yards, but with a lamp you will be looking at 200-250.

 

been there got the t shirt i was shooting 200yards at bisley with .17hmr and .22wmr lovely sunny day and a bit of cross wind but managed to do a 6" group with both calibers dougy you was there i had wickedandlazy scoring. ive shot the odd rabbit out to around 180 yards when i had my range finder as long as its a safe shot i have no quibbles about taking the shot

 

In the daylight, the gun is limited to your capabilities. People use the .22-250 for long range shooting, but I like to stick with ranges I can do, and I am capable of

Edited April 4, 2010 by SPARKIE

[SSS]

Like I say sparkie, I want to see it. I wasn't saying it wouldn't do it, but at the end of the day, its a rimfire.

Also, target shooting is a bit different to shooting the real thing, would you shoot a fox at 200 yards with the HMR? I would be very surprised if you would, safe in the knowledge that it will cleanly do the job.

[Ackley]

Why would you want to 'download' a 'caliber'? That's just madness, if I want .223 performance, I will buy a .223, not a 22-250 and 'download'.

One more thing I want to point out, you say .22-250 is a 'better' calibre, How? there is no such thing as better, only more suited to a job.

 

whats so strange,a lot of people down load certain calibers for one reason or another

and YES the 22.250 is BETTER than a 223

its flatter

its has more energy

its faster

so its better

[Dougy]

Ok ive bit my lip for long enough now!!!!!!!!!

 

how come folk that have no experience seem to know more than those with experience, i just find it hard to figure out

 

 

please !please ! please ! someone explain to me,

 

 

i think i know, is it they spend all hours god sends on the internet, instead of actually doing any practicle, but then i suppose they cant be botherd to get off there

Gluteus maximus.

[smurf]

deadeyed duck (DON) this is my personal preference after spending sh*tloads of money on different guns & calibres ,yes i have got lots of land to shoot over in excess of 8000 acres including several livestock farms with marshes & grazing paddocks in them which i have sole shooting rights too, like i said this is my personal prefence i only need to take one rifle out if im going to shoot deer or fox or both as the case maybe cuts down the runnung costs also (bullets ),i cant remember the last time i shot a fox at less than 200yards & this rifle & calibre gives me the confidence to do this ,,yes i am a safe shot with an open cert (when it used to take you two years to get it )with over 12years firearm experience & handle guns & dispatch livestock daily.i personally find the 243 to my liking not saying that others agree ,so be it ,if that were the case we would all have the same calibre how boring would that be ps i have a foxpro caller sometimes it works sometimes it doesnt as soon as a safe shot presents itself i take it ,cant afford not too when farmers are relying on you to do a job ,

Edited April 4, 2010 by smurf

[vmax55]

theres no right and wrong in this just preference.my .223 is fantastic at long range. each to their own.

[SSS]

how come folk that have no experience seem to know more than those with experience, i just find it hard to figure out

How come those that have lots of experience to speak of, don't say anything useful? Stop biting your tongue and speak up if there is something to say.

 

This thread is getting ridiculous.

I don't understand how anyone can say that 'this' is a better calibre than 'that', They each have a purpose, and each have pro's and cons.

[vmax55]

whats so strange,a lot of people down load certain calibers for one reason or another

and YES the 22.250 is BETTER than a 223

its flatter

its has more energy

its faster

so its better

 

so your saying for a calliber to be better than another calliber it has to be flatter , faster and have more energy to qualify? somehow i dont think that works.

[Ackley]

so your saying for a calliber to be better than another calliber it has to be flatter , faster and have more energy to qualify? somehow i dont think that works.

 

what ever mate,try gaining a,little experience with these calibers and you will soon find out

[vmax55]

what ever mate,try gaining a,little experience with these calibers and you will soon find out

 

yeah sorry mate perhaps your right in your logic after all. My 15 years of sgc and 8 years of fac obviously isnt enough experience for me to give you an answer youd like to hear. oh forgot to mention my 6 years as an infantry man aswell but the constant use of firearms during this time in many callibers and formats counts for nothing. again sorry i upset, you i'll keep my nose out in future.

[Ackley]

yeah sorry mate perhaps your right in your logic after all. My 15 years of sgc and 8 years of fac obviously isnt enough experience for me to give you an answer youd like to hear. oh forgot to mention my 6 years as an infantry man aswell but the constant use of firearms during this time in many callibers and formats counts for nothing. again sorry i upset, you i'll keep my nose out in future.

only 8 years of FAC,you have a lot to learn

is a 223 the only C/F you have owned ?

[magman]

223 is all you will need lamping foxes past 250 yrds at night ? can you be sure its a fox

Go on a range day and see what the 223 does at 600 yrds bet you don't see a 22.250 there

[vmax55]

whats so strange,a lot of people down load certain calibers for one reason or another

and YES the 22.250 is BETTER than a 223

its flatter

its has more energy

its faster

so its better

 

with respect ackley i am only commenting on your post. imo ( based only on your post ) it is you that has a lot to learn. with remarks like that just goes to show what narrow mindedness you have. .17hmr is faster and flatter than .22lr does this make it a more effective tool or in your words " better ".

 

I have not joined pigeon watch to preach nor do i pretend to know everything there is to know. but to offer my knowledge on the things i do know.

oh and no .223 is not the only caliber i have owned thanks for the interest though.

 

all the best

[vmax55]

223 is all you will need lamping foxes past 250 yrds at night ? can you be sure its a fox

Go on a range day and see what the 223 does at 600 yrds bet you don't see a 22.250 there

 

well put magman

[Ackley]

with respect ackley i am only commenting on your post. imo ( based only on your post ) it is you that has a lot to learn. with remarks like that just goes to show what narrow mindedness you have. .17hmr is faster and flatter than .22lr does this make it a more effective tool or in your words " better ".

 

I have not joined pigeon watch to preach nor do i pretend to know everything there is to know. but to offer my knowledge on the things i do know.

oh and no .223 is not the only caliber i have owned thanks for the interest though.

 

all the best

a caliber which produces more energy will be better on vermin and deer then one that has less,

dont we all want to humanley kill what we shoot at as quickly and as fast as possable ??

i dont ever recall me stating a 223 isnt any good BUT given the choice of the two calibers I would take the 22.250 every time,becuase its better.

now Iam not narrow minded mate Iam very experienced,with most of the common C/F calibers

[Paddy Galore!]

well, i have a22/250, i was granted this on the advice of my feo. problem is, i prefer my mates 223. i feel much more confident shooting that at any range.

anyone want to swap?

[vmax55]

a caliber which produces more energy will be better on vermin and deer then one that has less,

dont we all want to humanley kill what we shoot at as quickly and as fast as possable ??

i dont ever recall me stating a 223 isnt any good BUT given the choice of the two calibers I would take the 22.250 every time,becuase its better.

now Iam not narrow minded mate Iam very experienced,with most of the common C/F calibers

 

theres killing humanely and then theres blowing something up. do you shoot your rabbits with your 22-250 because it has more power than a .22lr?

i do question your level of experience though to say something like that.

[jamie g]

223 is all you will need lamping foxes past 250 yrds at night ? can you be sure its a fox

Go on a range day and see what the 223 does at 600 yrds bet you don't see a 22.250 there

 

if it is for foxing what does it matter what the 223 can do on a range where a 22/250 cant.

 

most ranges wont let you use a 22/250 anyway due to the range speed. imo 22/250 is wasted on a range its a out and out foxing rifle and good at that.

 

all the above rifles on this thread is more then good enough to kill at long ranges. its the shooter what counts. you can have the best set up in the world dont mean you could shoot 600 yards well.

 

what if you put a fast twist barrel on a 22/250 like savage rifles do now. this would let you push heavy bullets like a 75 grain vmax at over 3000fps

which in turn would trump the 223 at longer ranges. [ again down to shooter]

 

223 is a great foxng caliber also and at the ranges most foxes are shot at.

 

just have to get what suites you.and for foxing 22/250 i think is great if you have big open fields to shoot over.

at night range can be hard to no. inless you have a range finder. and then cant allways get a chance to range a fox.

 

before its ran off. so a flat shooting round is a bonus.

 

as for 22/250 being loud yes they are unmodded but imo there isnt much in it that you would no with a top mod on it like a ase.

 

dont forget the land you shoot over can make a difference on the sound of the shot. ie woods and valleys make a shot sound alot louder.

 

as for unburnt powder depends what powder you use in your rifle. you can get fast burning powders which even in a 22/250 is fully burnt before 22 inchs.

 

24 to 26 inch barrels seam best for them tho. keeps the speed up

Edited April 4, 2010 by jamie g

[Ackley]

theres killing humanely and then theres blowing something up. do you shoot your rabbits with your 22-250 because it has more power than a .22lr?

i do question your level of experience though to say something like that.

 

you dont "blow things up" with a 22.250 its not a bazooka,ever heard of correct bullet choice,you can split a fox in two with a 223 the same as you can with a 22.250,its all down to what bullet you use and what it hits going in

and as to shooting rabbits with a 22.250 why not its good target practice,

when I go to shoot rabbits i use the correct tool for the job a 22 rimmy,I shoot them with my 243 AI saying that they are say 400 to 500 yards away,but were not talking about rabbits are we

[vmax55]

if it is for foxing what does it matter what the 223 can do on a range where a 22/250 cant.

 

most ranges wont let you use a 22/250 anyway due to the range speed. imo 22/250 is wasted on a range its a out and out foxing rifle and good at that.

 

all the above rifles on this thread is more then good enough to kill at long ranges. its the shooter what counts. you can have the best set up in the world dont mean you could shoot 600 yards well.

 

what if you put a fast twist barrel on a 22/250 like savage rifles do now. this would let you push heavy bullets like a 75 grain vmax at over 3000fps

which in turn would trump the 223 at longer ranges. [ again down to shooter]

 

223 is a great foxng caliber also and at the ranges most foxes are shot at.

 

just have to get what suites you.and for foxing 22/250 i think is great if you have big open fields to shoot over.

at night range can be hard to no. inless you have a range finder. and then cant allways get a chance to range a fox.

 

before its ran off. so a flat shooting round is a bonus.

 

as for 22/250 being loud yes they are unmodded but imo there isnt much in it that you would no with a top mod on it like a ase.

 

dont forget the land you shoot over can make a difference on the sound of the shot. ie woods and valleys make a shot sound alot louder.

 

as for unburnt powder depends what powder you use in your rifle. you can get fast burning powders which even in a 22/250 is fully burnt before 22 inchs.

 

24 to 26 inch barrels seam best for them tho. keeps the speed up

 

i agree

[magman]

if it is for foxing what does it matter what the 223 can do on a range where a 22/250 cant.

 

most ranges wont let you use a 22/250 anyway due to the range speed. imo 22/250 is wasted on a range its a out and out foxing rifle and good at that.

 

all the above rifles on this thread is more then good enough to kill at long ranges. its the shooter what counts. you can have the best set up in the world dont mean you could shoot 600 yards well.

 

what if you put a fast twist barrel on a 22/250 like savage rifles do now. this would let you push heavy bullets like a 75 grain vmax at over 3000fps

which in turn would trump the 223 at longer ranges. [ again down to shooter]

 

223 is a great foxng caliber also and at the ranges most foxes are shot at.

 

just have to get what suites you.and for foxing 22/250 i think is great if you have big open fields to shoot over.

at night range can be hard to no. inless you have a range finder. and then cant allways get a chance to range a fox.

 

before its ran off. so a flat shooting round is a bonus.

 

as for 22/250 being loud yes they are unmodded but imo there isnt much in it that you would no with a top mod on it like a ase.

 

dont forget the land you shoot over can make a difference on the sound of the shot. ie woods and valleys make a shot sound alot louder.

 

as for unburnt powder depends what powder you use in your rifle. you can get fast burning powders which even in a 22/250 is fully burnt before 22 inchs.

 

24 to 26 inch barrels seam best for them tho. keeps the speed up

 

Like i said for a fox calibre at night the 223 will do all you need as i would not shoot a fox in the lamp past 250 yrds would you ?

[vmax55]

you dont "blow things up" with a 22.250 its not a bazooka,ever heard of correct bullet choice,you can split a fox in two with a 223 the same as you can with a 22.250,its all down to what bullet you use and what it hits going in

and as to shooting rabbits with a 22.250 why not its good target practice,

when I go to shoot rabbits i use the correct tool for the job a 22 rimmy,I shoot them with my 243 AI saying that they are say 400 to 500 yards away,but were not talking about rabbits are we

 

as you said " the correct tool for the job ".

[Ackley]

Like i said for a fox calibre at night the 223 will do all you need as i would not shoot a fox in the lamp past 250 yrds would you ?

 

a 222 will aslo do at sub 200 yards,and to answer your question "yes" most definatley shoot foxes past 250 yards at night obviously under the correct conditions

[vmax55]

Like i said for a fox calibre at night the 223 will do all you need as i would not shoot a fox in the lamp past 250 yrds would you ?

 

no mate i have no need to but im sure ackley would have a go with his .50

[Ackley]

no mate i have no need to but im sure ackley would have a go with his .50

not .50 mate too much for a fox,but my 243 AI and 7mm wsm I would and do on a regular basis,under the correct conditions of course