thinking of getting an aa s410

[viking]

what anti tamper is, pre anti tamper, regulated, how many fill you get off a divers bottle, how long it takes to fill one with a pump.

and is there anything to look out for when buying one.

 

cheers, Lee

[aaron airgunner]

pre anti tamper means that it has the screw on it which you can undo and tune up the power to however much you like. anti tamper means the screw is a pyramid shape and very hard (without damaging the rifle) to drill out. this means you can't tune it up any more than how it comes out the factory. my AAs400 (single shot version of the ten shot) is anti tamper and doing 10.30ftib which is a little dissapointing but you only need 3ftib to kill a rabbit and chairgun says my rifle is doing 4ftib at 60yrds so it dose not really matter. i dont know about stirrup pumps but with my small 3ltr dive bottle i get about 25 charges. these guns are very accurate and feel nice in your hands.

[SSS]

pre anti tamper means that it has the screw on it which you can undo and tune up the power to however much you like. anti tamper means the screw is a pyramid shape and very hard (without damaging the rifle) to drill out. this means you can't tune it up any more than how it comes out the factory. my AAs400 (single shot version of the ten shot) is anti tamper and doing 10.30ftib which is a little dissapointing but you only need 3ftib to kill a rabbit and chairgun says my rifle is doing 4ftib at 60yrds so it dose not really matter. i dont know about stirrup pumps but with my small 3ltr dive bottle i get about 25 charges. these guns are very accurate and feel nice in your hands.

Its been said very well. I had a pre-anti tamper s400 and it was fantastically accurate, pellet on pellet at 25 yards. I used to get about 60 shots to a charge, but mine wasn't the carbine model.

 

Go for it mate, whats the worst that can happen

[lowlander]

i fill my s400 up with a stirrup pump, i usually fill it when it reaches about 100 bar, it takes me about 5 mins to fill it, but i fill it to 150 stop for a couple of minutes then continue filling to 180 bar

 

lowlander

[aaron airgunner]

i have the classic model in .177 and i get about 70 shots before the power starts to drop significantly. it is not regulated so you do get a bit of a power curve but the differnce in zero between 100 bar and 190 bar is only about a cm or less.

[turbo33]

Fantastic rifle. S410 ten shot mag, s400 single shot but you can get and aftermarket mag arrangement from Rowan engineering. Doesn't self index though. People get hung up on having the pre anti-tamper. Mine is the later so you can't fiddle with the power. ( good thing if you don't fancy as stretch inside!) Personally I prefer the .177. I have had a .22 as well, but find the .177 far easier and more accurate because of the flat trajectory. ( but I respect those that prefer .22)

I was unsure that the girlie calibre was effective. The first time I took it out I had 7 rabbits for 7 shots, clinical! I bought a chrono recently and was suprised to find it was pushing out 10.5lbs. My Weihrauch does 11.5, but is no more accurate or deadly. Aaron has said it all about power.

Regulated is a conversion ( google Ben Taylor BTAS) Again Aaron explains this.

Go for it, you won't be dissapointed. Carbine is about 4" shorter than the Classic. I have both. The classic is marginally quieter, bit heavier, bit more stable, Obviously less shots in the carbine, about 60 I think. Thats ample for a nights hunting.

My shopping list would be:

s410

anti-tamper ( cos its newer)

Carbine ( classic if you want a longer rifle and more shots per fill)

.177 calibre

Air Arms moderator

Walnut stock

A A Field pellets in 4.52

If you go for a bottle, make sure its 300 bar. They start at 3 litre and go up. Obviously the small bottle is easier to throw in the car, but less fills. I get about 20+ top ups from mine.

Hope this helps.

Edited April 13, 2010 by turbo33

[jackinbox99]

I think everyone else has pretty much covered it. Anti Tamper was fitted to newer guns which means you can not easily service it yourself or adjust it, so if you have any problems its an expensive fix down the gunshop.

 

Ive a 2004 s410 in .22 carbine, its a bit shorter and lighter than the classic model which has a longer air cylinder (and more shots per fill). When I got it, it had the stock air arms silencer and the gun was so quiet, id pull the trigger and the only noise id hear was the thud when the pellet hit something. Amazing.

 

Ive not ran mine down for ages to see how many shots i can get out of a full fill - although I seem to remember it was 60 or 70. I pump mine upto 200bar and usually refill it when it gets down to about 120. That tends to last me 3 or more outtings in the fields.

 

Accuracy wise, its ace. can hit pellet on pellet at 45yards no problem at all. Ive had rabbits out to that distance without problem, but tend to keep to 35yards if i can.

 

I use a pump to refill mine. They are about 100quid, takes no effort at all, just a few minutes. Very easy - although if you have an old pump or one with knackered seals it can be harder.

 

When buying one, id check that the magazine works correctly, that the rubber washer going around the mag isnt missing. If its not anti tamper, check that the adjustment screw on the right hand side of the barrel hasnt been messed with. If you have access to a chrono, check the power before you buy, some anti tamper ones only push out low 10`s - which in all fairness is plenty, but some people like to push their guns to the limit.

 

Also, the blueing on the barrel & cylinder isnt that good as standard, so check it thoroughly for rust spots. If its been wet a couple of times they tend to start getting rusty.

 

These are excellent field rifles and tend to get a lot of use, so expect the odd mark on them. If there isnt, then id be wondering why the previous owner never used it and what was wrong with it!!!

 

Pellet wise, air arms field 5.52`s if its a .22

 

Good luck!

[vampire]

As above and mine is for sale new bought in may 2009 used from may-sept only.pm if interested or look in sales section

 

aa s410 .177 beech

aa mod

org barrell end

filling adaptor

instutruction manual

verminator gun lamp

500 rws superfields

original receipt

 

£450 and you collect or arrange courier

[viking]

cheers for the reply guys, very helpfull,

if they do start to run a bit low on power how do you get them back to full power, and whats a chrono. and i think for easy sake i would rather get a pump, is there any paticular sort i should get.

 

cheers, lee

[MattSoanes]

cheers for the reply guys, very helpfull,

if they do start to run a bit low on power how do you get them back to full power, and whats a chrono. and i think for easy sake i would rather get a pump, is there any paticular sort i should get.

 

cheers, lee

When power gets low you simply top up the air pressure.

The Hills pump is very good, you should get one with a dry pac fitted to stop moisture getting into the air cylinder.

Google Chronograph, it will tell you all you need to know

[viking]

sorry mate i ment power as in the 12lb sence

 

cheers, lee

[turbo33]

sorry mate i ment power as in the 12lb sence

 

cheers, lee

 

In the case of an anti-tamper, the power is fixed at the factory to under 12lbs. If anything it will creep up as it gets used, thats why the factory sets them conservatively under.

[viking]

i see, so with a pre anti tamper you can set them back to 12 ft lb if they go down, so would it be best getting a pre anti or an anti tamper one,

 

cheers, lee

[SSS]

Yeah viking, exactly that. It is VERY easy to turn the power up too, not that I would encourage that or anything

[aaron airgunner]

well the reason air arms fits the new models with an anti tamper is because they were fed up of idiots turning it up past 12ftibs without a Firearms certificate or FAC. to be on the safe side, the anti tamer models come out the factory below 12ftibs so if it creep up atll you won't be arrested for not having an FAC if the police ever decide to test your rifles power. and believe me, the police use the heaviest pellet they can find so even if your doing 11.5ftib with the brand of pellet your using, they can still arrest you if they find your gun is above 12ftib with the pellets theyre using. the power difference over time is very small so nothing to worry about. wether you get the anti tamper or pre anti tamper model it dose not really matter as long as its above 10ftib it will take rabbits (depending on your accuracy and shot placement) to 50yrds which is plenty far enough for an air rifle. as i said its ALL about shot placement and very little about power. at 3ftib if you put a pellet just behind a rabbits eye it will be dead even if the pellet hasnt penetrated the skin the force of the pellet hitting it will be like a blow to the head.

[viking]

probably best a anti tamper then

n, well thanks for all the answers chaps, very helpfull.

 

thanks, lee

Edited April 15, 2010 by viking

[turbo33]

Lee read Aarons last post............ANTI-TAMPER!!!!!

[Davrian]

You can have my pre anti tamper AA S410 TDR for £350.

 

PM me if you're interested?

[KANO]

I have a pre anti tamper s410 .177 and wouldnt change it for anything else. BUT the temptation is always there with youngsters and a pre anti tamper to fiddle and turn it to 11.8 11.9 ft lbs. If you are using a heavy pellet ie 10.6 gr and you have 11.8 ft/lbs then decide to go for a lighter pellet lets say 8 gr, you will take the gun into FAC, the ft/lbs will go up. Just be aware. I use a light pellet and chronoed at 11.2 ft/lbs more than enough...........I was using crossman premier 10.6 g. ft/lbs in the low 10s but found accuracy with a lighter. pellet.

Edited April 24, 2010 by KANO