barrelsniffer Posted April 18, 2010 Report Share Posted April 18, 2010 Im interested in knowing if any chaps on here from esp cheshire have vermin on the licence for use with a CF rifle ie 222 upwards. I know differing areas do and some dont...i can take my mates who DO have vermin ie rabbits ect under all there CF rifles..on my land and they can lawfully shoot any pest...but they are not from cheshire. So looking to see if cheshire constabulary have allowed anyone from cheshire to use a CF for vermin which i believe they have ? Mick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted April 18, 2010 Report Share Posted April 18, 2010 Im interested in knowing if any chaps on here from esp cheshire have vermin on the licence for use with a CF rifle ie 222 upwards. I know differing areas do and some dont...i can take my mates who DO have vermin ie rabbits ect under all there CF rifles..on my land and they can lawfully shoot any pest...but they are not from cheshire. So looking to see if cheshire constabulary have allowed anyone from cheshire to use a CF for vermin which i believe they have ? Mick Vermin conditions were not that uncommon for centrefire, but the new ACPO wording encompasses it all.......and all other lawful quarry!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted April 18, 2010 Report Share Posted April 18, 2010 Sorry, I'm not from Cheshire, but I can shoot vermin with all my rifles in the signature below. If your friend has vermin, but you don't, go and put a letter into your FLD and say that you want this adding. ...What's the worst that can happen? They say no..! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrelsniffer Posted April 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2010 (edited) Vermin conditions were not that uncommon for centrefire, but the new ACPO wording encompasses it all.......and all other lawful quarry!! The friend lives in different county. i have asked in past with no joy yet have had FAC 15 yrs and before that 10 yrs army exp.and now work for brit gov in afghan using firearms every day...its a joke like the postcode lottery . I have a 17 rem for vermin..but where i shoot in wales is quite hilly therefore very windy.and 17 gets kicked every where. Mick Edited April 19, 2010 by mickyfinn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted April 19, 2010 Report Share Posted April 19, 2010 The friend lives in different county. i have asked in past with no joy yet have had FAC 15 yrs and before that 10 yrs army exp.and now work for brit gov in afghan using firearms every day...its a joke like the postcode lottery . I have a 17 rem for vermin..but where i shoot in wales is quite hilly therefore very windy.and 17 gets kicked every where. Mick Not quite sure I followed all that, but is your FAC Open, if not why not? Any variation, or renewal should feature the new wording, so you are home and dry, even before that the new wording is accepted NOW, so you can...check with your region about all other lawful quarry!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted April 19, 2010 Report Share Posted April 19, 2010 I'd assume by the post that all the "ask and see" options have already been covered and they're being a pain in the butt over it? I have all my centrefires for "any other lawful quarry", and that includes the .338! Before the ACPO brought out that ruling I could shoot vermin with my 6.5x55, which was at the time the biggest rifle I had. I find it very disheartening that some forces choose to ignore the ACPO ruling and do as they please, after all is that not what the ACPO is there for in the first place, to set guidelines? I'd find it even more disheartening if I lived in one of those areas! It's a silly line to take. If a piece of ground is safe and you're prepared to spend upwards of a quid a shot to kill a Rabbit then why not? It's a little pointless sometimes but not dangerous, and it often improves security as you don't have to carry two guns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrelsniffer Posted April 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2010 I'd assume by the post that all the "ask and see" options have already been covered and they're being a pain in the butt over it? I have all my centrefires for "any other lawful quarry", and that includes the .338! Before the ACPO brought out that ruling I could shoot vermin with my 6.5x55, which was at the time the biggest rifle I had. I find it very disheartening that some forces choose to ignore the ACPO ruling and do as they please, after all is that not what the ACPO is there for in the first place, to set guidelines? I'd find it even more disheartening if I lived in one of those areas! It's a silly line to take. If a piece of ground is safe and you're prepared to spend upwards of a quid a shot to kill a Rabbit then why not? It's a little pointless sometimes but not dangerous, and it often improves security as you don't have to carry two guns. I will enquire about the said wording when i get home in june.i asked last yr with a big NO, so just trying to see if anyone in my county has it yet ? Mick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrelsniffer Posted April 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2010 Not quite sure I followed all that, but is your FAC Open, if not why not? Any variation, or renewal should feature the new wording, so you are home and dry, even before that the new wording is accepted NOW, so you can...check with your region about all other lawful quarry!! Hi Dekkers. I was refering to my mates who DO have permission to shoot lawful quarry,coming to my farms and being able lawfully to shoot what vermin presents it self ,where as me as i dont have the authority and would only be allowed to use a 17 rem and not any other centre fire rifle i have. on the same said piece of land.and vise versa if i was invited to a mates land for a shoot in his county id still be restricted in what i can and cant use. And yes i do have a open licence and a no of firearms. Mick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shotgun tim Posted April 19, 2010 Report Share Posted April 19, 2010 i have a 22-250 and a 308 both say vermin on the licence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted April 19, 2010 Report Share Posted April 19, 2010 Hi Dekkers. I was refering to my mates who DO have permission to shoot lawful quarry,coming to my farms and being able lawfully to shoot what vermin presents it self ,where as me as i dont have the authority and would only be allowed to use a 17 rem and not any other centre fire rifle i have. on the same said piece of land.and vise versa if i was invited to a mates land for a shoot in his county id still be restricted in what i can and cant use. And yes i do have a open licence and a no of firearms. Mick Absolutely no reason on the face of it then why you should not have the new wording, thats exactly why ACPO agreed it! This is "relatively" new though, perhaps it was not about last year when you asked! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrelsniffer Posted April 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2010 Absolutely no reason on the face of it then why you should not have the new wording, thats exactly why ACPO agreed it! This is "relatively" new though, perhaps it was not about last year when you asked! I believe a mate of mine recently applied for a 20TAC for rabbits in cheshire and was knobbed off...told he can have 17 rem.. When did the new ACPO ammendments come into play then ? as usual looks like cheshire are ignoring them. Mick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted April 19, 2010 Report Share Posted April 19, 2010 I believe a mate of mine recently applied for a 20TAC for rabbits in cheshire and was knobbed off...told he can have 17 rem.. When did the new ACPO ammendments come into play then ? as usual looks like cheshire are ignoring them. Mick I don't know exactly, but they turned up on a variation of mine towards the end of last year...October/November I think, but could have been around a bit before that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted April 19, 2010 Report Share Posted April 19, 2010 I have fox and vermin for the .223, my fac is currently being 1-4-1'd ( sold the .308) so may be it will come back with the new wording, should know in a week or two, if I remember I'll up date this thread when it arrives Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikee Posted April 19, 2010 Report Share Posted April 19, 2010 as I understand it you dont need to apply for the wording it is implied that its ok and at renewal, change of address or variation etc it would be added, i believe it was administered like this to avoid 250,000 fac's being sent in for the wording to be added all at once, i might be wrong but thats how i read it mikee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stokie Posted April 19, 2010 Report Share Posted April 19, 2010 Im next door in Staffordshire Says on mine for 223 rem for fox and vermin and all other lawful quarry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrelsniffer Posted April 20, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 20, 2010 Still waiting for anyone from cheshire to add anything ? must be a few guys from there on here.? Mick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Horrocks Posted April 21, 2010 Report Share Posted April 21, 2010 Sorry, I'm not from Cheshire, but I can shoot vermin with all my rifles in the signature below. If your friend has vermin, but you don't, go and put a letter into your FLD and say that you want this adding. ...What's the worst that can happen? They say no..! HarfordWmj, just unterested to know, but how does that .270 of yours deal with bunnies? and how do you confirm the kills? I imagine finding what's left of them would pose a challenge to even that CSI lot in Miami.... H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted April 21, 2010 Report Share Posted April 21, 2010 For a little background, this has apparently stemmed from Scottish Gamekeeper/Stalkers who had Large calibre rifles and were not legally able to take the fox (which causes all sorts of grief on some estates) when they had them in their sights! A problem that had gone on for years and caused untold frustration....hence now...... .....and all other lawful quarry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrelsniffer Posted April 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2010 For a little background, this has apparently stemmed from Scottish Gamekeeper/Stalkers who had Large calibre rifles and were not legally able to take the fox (which causes all sorts of grief on some estates) when they had them in their sights! A problem that had gone on for years and caused untold frustration....hence now...... .....and all other lawful quarry Just not in cheshire... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrelsniffer Posted April 26, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2010 Just not in cheshire... THAT A NO FOR ANYONE FROM CHESHIRE ? OR IS IT THEY DONT WANT RUFFLE THE FEATHERS OF CHESHIRE FLO ? MICK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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