Popgun Posted May 8, 2010 Report Share Posted May 8, 2010 Sorry for being a thicko but is tin shot heavyer than steel shot and have any of you home loaders tryed it if so how did you get on, i'm going to give steel a fair try i have a winchester sx3 in 3" proofed for 1370 and shoot 300 or 400 cartridges a year over the salt marsh so i'm going to try home loading but do'nt want to spend a fortune on loading gear about how much will i need to spend on a loading press and bits and pieces thaks for your time Popgun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chezza1986 Posted May 8, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 8, 2010 Sorry for being a thicko but is tin shot heavyer than steel shot and have any of you home loaders tryed it if so how did you get on, i'm going to give steel a fair try i have a winchester sx3 in 3" proofed for 1370 and shoot 300 or 400 cartridges a year over the salt marsh so i'm going to try home loading but do'nt want to spend a fortune on loading gear about how much will i need to spend on a loading press and bits and pieces thaks for your time Popgun. Nope mate. Just a tiny bit lighter than steel but Gamebore have released a shell using it along with their steel line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted May 9, 2010 Report Share Posted May 9, 2010 Nope mate. Just a tiny bit lighter than steel but Gamebore have released a shell using it along with their steel line. tin is ****, if the target isnt close. dont bother. it is less dense than steel, but is soft. i thought you couldnt use tin anymore? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windknot Posted May 9, 2010 Report Share Posted May 9, 2010 If you thought steel was rubbish for shooting, just wait 'till you try making a knife from lead! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted May 9, 2010 Report Share Posted May 9, 2010 If you thought steel was rubbish for shooting, just wait 'till you try making a knife from lead! ??? :lol: Lead is best, everyone knows that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudpatten Posted May 9, 2010 Report Share Posted May 9, 2010 The documented evidence is in the form of the clubs bag returns which require the detailing of all shots fired, birds killed and other info. We`ve carried out three major field trials on real wildfowl under real fowling conditions since 1993 preceded by a lesser trial in about 1991. The lesser trial was used to establish the methodology for the others. The first and lesser trial was on imported Canadian Imperial steel cartridges. Empirically they worked quite well but the trial was abandoned because of the pressure generated by the shells in the days when there was no such thing as steel shot proof. No results were published. The second was on Bismuth which was found to work well. The results of this trial were published and I might still have a few copies available at £25 each. The third was on Eley, UK loaded steel shells. This was in the early 1990s and the trial was abandoned after the first few weeks since the wounding levels were unacceptably high. The fourth, and current field trial has been running since 2005 and consists of the rolling collection of data. To paraphrase, it reveals that homeloaded steel is especially effective and, perhaps most encouragingly, there has been a considerable and noticeable improvement in the performance of factory loaded steel in the last five years. The kill to cartridge ratio for steel against baseline data for lead is now on a par. This information, of which this is a gross simplification of all the factors involved, has been collated but not yet published. Like everyone else I don`t want to see lead disappear even though I`m happy that steel now works as well as lead. To publish this evidence at this time would`nt be a very good idea and I mention it only since most of the objections to steel that I`ve read on this forum are not based in fact but in blind prejudice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted May 9, 2010 Report Share Posted May 9, 2010 steel shot is never going to carry as far as lead. Its simple physics Still it seems to be a done deal now so you might as well get used to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anser2 Posted May 9, 2010 Report Share Posted May 9, 2010 (edited) You are both right and wrong there Vince. Steel shot of the same size as lead does not have the long range of lead. BUT steel shoots very tight so by going up 2 or 3 sizes you get similar patterns , but the steel being a much bigger pellet will kill as far as most people need. The effect of an after choke and a fast cartridge ( 1550 fps ) of 1 9\16s of steel no 2 on high mallard is nothing short of stunning. Every bit as good as lead in no 4. I shoot several hundred duck a season 90% with steel on the foreshore and open marsh and as long as you shoot within a reasonable range ( 50 yards ) steel will do the job. You need the right gun , right cartridge , the right shot size and use a choke regulated for that pellet size and steel will kill a lot further than most people think. For pigeons a 32 gr load in no 4 or 3 is more than enough for decoyed pigeons. Edited May 9, 2010 by anser2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anser2 Posted May 9, 2010 Report Share Posted May 9, 2010 (edited) Popgun before you lash out on a steel loading kit try 36 gr Gamebore mamonth in no 3s for duck. A very good load at a reasonable price £2.50 for 10. Edited May 9, 2010 by anser2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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