white fox Posted November 17, 2005 Report Share Posted November 17, 2005 A local builder fellow came to my workshop this morning to do some work, he spotted my decoy bag and landy outside, and the subject of shooting came up. We swapped lots of stories then he mentioned that he had been shot. Story something like this, local gamekeeper heard that Guinea fowl being noisy would keep foxes away, this may have been true, but it turned out they also drove the pheasants away. So in an effort to rid them, the builder, the keeper, and two other townie guns (I wont name the town) were surrounding a large bramble bush, one bird was struggling to get up out of the bramble and bang, the keepers dog yelped just in front of this fellow blood everywhere, then he realised he had also been shot. Next stop hospital...etc.etc., This all happened some 7 years ago, he has still got 40 odd pellets inside him, 28 of which still move around his body. Once he recovered, he contacted BASC, whose reply was 'Sorry we don't have anyone experienced enough to deal with this' end of story. He ended up using a local solicitor to fight his case. The chap who made the shot was covered by British Field Sports Society (now CA). They tried to make it 50/50 blame because the builder was there! he then sent them photos of his injuries, the BFFS immediately accepted full liability. He got his deserved payout. The Townie gun's excuse was that the gun just went off on its own. You would think the BASC with all its members would have acted in a better way, turns out this builder fellow and myself are now with the NGO who use the NFU as their insurers. You can get shooting insurance direct from NFU (I did for my recent trip to Switzerland). BASC members beware. The dog was OK. WF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted November 17, 2005 Report Share Posted November 17, 2005 At the moment I am having problems with my renewal and the BASC cannot be more helpful(as well as the members of PW) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted November 17, 2005 Report Share Posted November 17, 2005 The BASC will obviously be very efficient, in assisting you to part with your money. There have been loads of rumours around over the years that the BASC Insurance resist all claims very vigourously. The BASC were asked to say how many claims were settled in a year (not claims made), but I don't recall seeing a response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted November 17, 2005 Report Share Posted November 17, 2005 read some were on the INTERNET that the basc, have never paid out. there legal team (the ones who help you get your fac,sgc) are so good they have never had to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remmy1100 Posted November 17, 2005 Report Share Posted November 17, 2005 read a article about a insurance claim ,man out shooting one day ducked under fence gshotgun went off shot himself in foot ,he was member of basc and countryside alliance basc paid out pitance ,countryside £10,000 basc membership is double the cost for fair less payout if any, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted November 17, 2005 Report Share Posted November 17, 2005 thats why i did not rejoin them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velveteens Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 A local builder fellow came to my workshop this morning to do some work, he spotted my decoy bag and landy outside, and the subject of shooting came up. We swapped lots of stories then he mentioned that he had been shot. Story something like this, local gamekeeper heard that Guinea fowl being noisy would keep foxes away, this may have been true, but it turned out they also drove the pheasants away. So in an effort to rid them, the builder, the keeper, and two other townie guns (I wont name the town) were surrounding a large bramble bush, one bird was struggling to get up out of the bramble and bang, the keepers dog yelped just in front of this fellow blood everywhere, then he realised he had also been shot. Next stop hospital...etc.etc., This all happened some 7 years ago, he has still got 40 odd pellets inside him, 28 of which still move around his body. Once he recovered, he contacted BASC, whose reply was 'Sorry we don't have anyone experienced enough to deal with this' end of story. He ended up using a local solicitor to fight his case. The chap who made the shot was covered by British Field Sports Society (now CA). They tried to make it 50/50 blame because the builder was there! he then sent them photos of his injuries, the BFFS immediately accepted full liability. He got his deserved payout. The Townie gun's excuse was that the gun just went off on its own. You would think the BASC with all its members would have acted in a better way, turns out this builder fellow and myself are now with the NGO who use the NFU as their insurers. You can get shooting insurance direct from NFU (I did for my recent trip to Switzerland). BASC members beware. The dog was OK. WF Just to put the record straight. Guinea fowl were kept by keepers because they will roost in the woods with pheasants. I personally don,t know of a more alert watchkeeper. I ued to put guinea fowl eggs under the broodies at the same time as pheasants and reared them together.Superb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 This thorny subject was raised a few months ago and wasn’t received too well by anyone from BASC. I actually sent emails to BASC to ask them about these rumours. They came on to this site and told us all that they would always pay out IF liability could be proven. I think that is where they fall down though because it is always subject to a matter of opinion when liability is bought up. I am still in two minds about re-joining next year, because I can’t help wonder why I have never heard of anyone who has actually made a successful claim. :thumbs: G.M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 (edited) To be honest, I find this all a little concerning. I joined BASC this year with the understanding that as a novice hunter, it was the best thing to do. This was largely from public opinion. Since being a memeber I have spoken with BASC on many occasions and they have been very helpful indeed. I have no problems with thier ability to provide help for the fellow shooter. However, I am getting rather concerned about the insurance. When David Illsey was last on it came to light that the insurance is, well in my opinion, half hearted as it only provides public liability. I cant imagine not being a member of BASC as it is the recognised voice of shooting by everyone. The dilema now is that I am considering the worth of additional insurance via another organisation. Its a pitty that BASC could not be more forthcoming with thier insurance. Edited November 18, 2005 by Axe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BountyHunter Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 The thing to be careful of is that this is all conjecture: "I know this guy who said that he once saw someone whos dog was related to a woman who saw a fox once" sort of thing. I am not saying that these things don't happen or that the BASC is right ot wrong, just be careful of chinese whispers. An example of such: When I worked for a well known concrete producer we used to have a guy who delivered sandwhiches, he did this round for years never with any trouble. All of a sudden the girls in the office started boycotting him, apparently he had gone to one of the local businesses and for reasons better known to himself had allegedly assaulted one of the staff members. Co-incidentally, when his business ceased trading a few months later the same business where the "assault" happened opened a sandwhich bar... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 Very concerning indeed. Maybe it would be possible to try and get a B******t free statement from them. The again pigs might fly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
white fox Posted November 18, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 It is easy, join the NGO who use the NFU as their insurers, the CA or even NFU directly. WF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 iam sure if all these groups,ngo,nfu,ca,basc. amalgamated into one good one it would be a lot better for shooting. as did the shooting organizations in America. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted November 19, 2005 Report Share Posted November 19, 2005 iam sure if all these groups,ngo,nfu,ca,basc. amalgamated into one good one it would be a lot better for shooting. as did the shooting organizations in America. There would be so much bickering and infighting that they would never have time to represent us!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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