CCI CB longs

[Big Dog]

I have some CCI CB longs .22lr bullets which are 32ftlbs. I got them to shoot crow or pigeons that are roosted in trees. However, as I am still unsure about this all I have ever used them for is to let my 8yr old son shoot at targets with them. At 25 yrds he never seems to miss - great!

 

I know the PCP airrifles you buy in NI are up to 30 ftlbs but will a pellet and a bullet have the same range and drop?? They do drop sharply but....?

 

So should I just keep them for the boy or is it safe to use in trees.

 

Final thought: as they are shorter just by a bit, is there any chance of damaging the gun?? I know the CCI short would and the long was made to reduce this but is still is a bit shorter than std .22lr round.

[Piebob]

Don't know about the damage question, but I don't think anyone would recommend using any kind of live bullet for roost shooting - it's not safe.

 

Piebob

[Axe]

I'm sure they are more than up- for the job but as mentioned its not safe. The CB Longs are 29 grain and produce 710ft/sec, at the optimum inclination angle they would travel over 600 yards!

[dunganick]

i am at a loss of what to think here, its been making me wounder for a while.

 

i am aware that a 22lr will travel a little over a mile and still kill, but that is about 40 grains of bullet

 

an FAC airgun pellet might be doing the same speed with 1/3 the weight.

 

but if i had an FAC airgun doing say 30ftb i wouldnt think twice about shooting roosts, but something with 3x the amount of power is unaceptable.

 

so surely a CB cap doing the same as an FAC aigun ftb wise is fine

 

i dont know to be honest, i dont know what weight the CB projectile is or how fast they go.

 

i would have thought it would be ok with a CB, my understanding is that they arnt very fast nor do they shoot much weight. so wont go far or carry much energy.

 

i would appreciate the input or someone with a deffinative answer here, becuase its had me woundering for a while

[Axe]

It doesnt take much thinking about, if you can garuntee not too miss or that if you do miss the projectile will go safe, then, your good to go.

[deadeye ive]

Around the middle of may I shoot the young crows as they leave the nest and hav'nt got the confidence to actually fly off................I use my 35 ftlb air gun and a 16 grn pellet ..........The combination is deadly accurate and more importantly consistant. An absolute knowledge of the lie of the land is critical and chosing dawn to shoot is another part of the equation.

 

Rimfire Hp ammo is here and there at the best of times and I can't see this underpowered medium weight stuff fairing any better.

 

Although the Ft Lb figures are similar Big Dog I would refrain from using that combination for the purpose you intend.

 

If the bullet head engages the rifling when loaded I can't see their being any damage and I would'nt have thought CCI would design a RD they could'nt sell due to it damaging the throat of the barrel..........Only my opinion ......Technical stuff is'nt my strong point and i don't go google chasing BD

 

Ive

[markbivvy]

if you can garuntee not too miss

he who has never missed has never shot.

[bobt]

as long as the fallout zone is ok why not?

 

I use subsonics for the same thing, but have a mile fallout behind.

[markbivvy]

as long as the fallout zone is ok why not?

 

I use subsonics for the same thing, but have a mile fallout behind.

******* hell.

[hawkeye]

as long as the fallout zone is ok why not?

 

I use subsonics for the same thing, but have a mile fallout behind.

Dont care how much fall out you have you should not be useing subs for that its f--cking irresponsible my opinion

Edited December 6, 2005 by hawkeye

[dunganick]

i agree, just becuase you have 1 mile of land behind that you can shoot on dosent mean there isnt a walker/poacher/horse rider what ever, shouldnt be done.

 

but im still not sure about the CB's, afterall they are not disimilar in weight and speed to an fac airgun, which i would fire in the air.

[rarms]

Another angle, at what size what size of shot would you not fire a shotgun into the air?

[markbivvy]

Another angle, at what size what size of shot would you not fire a shotgun into the air?

biggest i use is 4,s. but i make sure it comes down on land where i have permission.but i do know what you are getting at.

[Big Dog]

All I can find on the www is the site below CCI.

 

~ 29gr projectile

~ 710 ft/sec

~ small game and plinking usage

 

My subs are zeroed at 50yrsds and the CB longs hit target at about 20-25 yrds

 

 

http://www.cci-ammunition.com/default.asp?...pg=18&prod_id=2

[rarms]

>biggest i use is 4

 

I am sure people shooting geese use bigger

 

 

 

Kyle

[Big Dog]

Not to keep harping on but if the feeling is you shouldn't use CCi Cb longs, 32ftlbs, 29g projectile, 710 ft/sec are you also saying you shouldn't use FAC air rifles which are 30ft/lbs+ and in excess of 740 ft/sec?

 

Is that what shooter are doing?? Not using 30 ft/lbs + air rifles for roosted birds??

[deadeye ive]

Rimfire Hp ammo is here and there at the best of times and I can't see this underpowered medium weight stuff fairing any better.

Big Dog

 

Use an 30ft lb... airgun & 16 grn pellet for consistant accurate shooting ..............That stuff is too heavy for the velocity to be consistant ............It must have hell of an arc.

 

Anyway I'm not one for Data but i do know from experience that an heavy projectile in my 35 ft lb set up was like lobbing a house brick ....Completely ****e.

 

Too heavy and too slow to be consistant.

 

If you feel this stuff provides consistantcy and accuracy at the ranges you'll be shooting at then use it ............You don't need me to educate you about knowledge of your lay out of land mate

 

Ive

[deadeye ive]

>biggest i use is 4

 

I am sure people shooting geese use bigger

 

 

 

Kyle

Are we getting at 2 lumps of lead of similar weight here as i've never been wild fowling .

 

If so only one of these is rifled and will travel alot further than the equivilent lead shot..

 

Just going off track

 

For a javelin to go any distance it needs to spin .

 

Ive

[MC]

The fallout area from a shotgun cartridge is far smaller than any rifle bullet. I use BB's for shooting geese on the foreshore which means you can sometimes see the shot land in the water or mud.

 

I would guess that it never goes more than 200yds in any direction.

 

I am finding it difficult to believe that people fire rifles (rimfire or air) into the air. You have no safe backstop or any way of knowing where the bullet will end up.

 

Cheers

 

MC

[bobt]

I think you will find that AAA shot will travel about 400 yds, as proven a few years ago on the river,

 

I can see over the land for well over a mile here, its a bit flat, so the rimfire bullet isnt doing any harm,

 

if you took that argument to its logical progression what about ricosh1ts when shooting on stony land?

 

ps I have shot rats on the bird table with the rimfire I suppose thats not safe either?

 

its all down to personal opinion, I have looked at the fallout zone and I consider it safe ok?

Edited December 12, 2005 by bobt

[MC]

AAA may well travel 400yds when fired at the optimum angle. We are talking abouit general shooting where I doubt that many shots are fired at the optimum angle.

 

I mentioned using BB's which are also steel so they are lighter and don't go as far.

 

A richochet will happen, that's life. Tell the person who gets hit by a stray bullet that it isn't doing any harm.

 

If you read the BASC's codes of practise then most of them say "ensure that your target has a secure backstop"

 

If you think that it is safe then carry on. It won't be me who get's reprimanded over any potential "accident"

 

I am quite sure that should a richochet hurt someone the BASC would stand behind you all the way. If they knew that the bullet was fired into the air then it might be a different story.

 

Please do not take this post a personal attack it is just my opinion.

 

Cheers

 

MC

[Big Dog]

Ok so it looks like I would be better to get the 410 moderated and use it instead. Need to get someone to grove it to hold scope rings first though??

 

So thanks all for the input. I have 2 areas that would be safe.

[deadeye ive]

I am finding it difficult to believe that people fire rifles (rimfire or air) into the air. You have no safe backstop or any way of knowing where the bullet will end up.

 

Cheers

 

MC

Martin

 

It does happen and will continue to happen ............It's real life .......best to advise someone to ensure their gear is accurate and consistant and that they know their surrounding area and they above all pick their time of day as well .

 

Your point is valid but not many folks will listen or take on advice if they are simply told You Don't do it.

We all assess our own situations as to whether they are safe to shoot or not mate but you'll always have morons who don't listen.

 

As for optinum angles ....when picking off young crows your virtually pointing the gun at 80 degs anyway due to the fact there so high up...........Oh and you don't miss either.

 

Ive

[markbivvy]

ps I have shot rats on the bird table with the rimfire I suppose thats not safe either?

 

is this bird table in a your garden.

[Axe]

I don't know about this, I reckon with the Longs it would be ok as long your careful. I mean to say, covering the the fact your run off is clear. I wouldnt take these measures where I could not be sure of complete safety, but in an open area where I can i.e. the 800yards behind the shot are clear, I would be good to go.

 

All this talk of being able to do so with airrifle ammo doesnt seem to make much sense. Particularly the shotgun ammo, i'm no expert, but looking into the heavier shot, they would be just as bad if not worse?

 

I guess I feel that if you are experienced enough to make the call, then go for it. But this would have to be based on knowledge and not he said , she said, information.

 

I am always willing to learn and would never push any boundary especially when we talk about somethign so serious, but this seems ok in safe surroundings.