mossy835 Posted June 20, 2010 Report Share Posted June 20, 2010 if i got my pump action cut down to 24",when i sell it it do i have to send it to the proof house, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamikazepigeon Posted June 20, 2010 Report Share Posted June 20, 2010 (edited) if i got my pump action cut down to 24",when i sell it it do i have to send it to the proof house, dnt think so i had an old baikal bk in the day which was full choked and my dad cut it down to open it up abit more i remeber him doing it with his m8 who knew a few bits about them shrood i know but it was on a 25 quid gun and that never got sent off and it got sold with no come backs so i dont imagine so m8 but not 100% Edited June 20, 2010 by kamikazepigeon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted June 20, 2010 Report Share Posted June 20, 2010 if i got my pump action cut down to 24",when i sell it it do i have to send it to the proof house, No because you haven't structurally weakened it and the bit that is left is as it was before you got your saw out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted June 20, 2010 Report Share Posted June 20, 2010 (edited) No because you haven't structurally weakened it and the bit that is left is as it was before you got your saw out Birmingham Proof House would argue that, but they just want your money! ...and in the last 18 months I bought a cut and threaded rifle from a RFD with no proof, and sold a cut and threaded rifle to a different RFD with no proof! How's all that work then??? Edited June 20, 2010 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham M Posted June 20, 2010 Report Share Posted June 20, 2010 Birmingham Proof House would argue that, but they just want your money! ...and in the last 18 months I bought a cut and threaded rifle from a RFD with no proof, and sold a cut and threaded rifle to a different RFD with no proof! How's all that work then??? I wouldn't broadcast that if I were you. It all depends on whether the rifle was made and threaded prior to the new proof laws. But if that rifle that you bought off the RFD was threaded after those proof laws were introduced, then he is guilty of selling a rifle that is out of proof and could lose his RFD’s licence. You would not be guilty of any offence by buying this rifle, but if you went on to sell it, then YOU would be at fault and could face prosecution. This proof thing is nothing more than a money-making scam introduced by the Proof House in order to bring in revenue to what was becoming a very rundown business. We all know it’s a scam, the Proof House knows it’s a scam but when they brought this to the last government they took absolute delight in pushing it into law, as they knew it was another thorn in the side of gun owners. Makes me want to cry, it really does, when we see legislation being foisted upon us at the behest of an organisation that was originally there for the benefit of gun-makers and shooters. A bit like gun dealers who import a cheap $200 rifle into this country and then charge £700 for it, complaining that the extra money is for VAT and import charges………yeh right. G.M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted June 20, 2010 Report Share Posted June 20, 2010 Birmingham Proof House would argue that, but they just want your money! ...and in the last 18 months I bought a cut and threaded rifle from a RFD with no proof, and sold a cut and threaded rifle to a different RFD with no proof! How's all that work then??? Threading a barrel weakens it structurally because you have removed material from the barrel wall, but cutting off the same threaded part will strengthen the barrel because the weakened part has been removed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted June 20, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2010 so as long as i keep it, i dont have to send it off then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodp Posted June 20, 2010 Report Share Posted June 20, 2010 Makes me want to cry, it really does, when we see legislation being foisted upon us at the behest of an organisation that was originally there for the benefit of gun-makers and shooters. A bit like the RSPCA with animals then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakin stevens Posted June 20, 2010 Report Share Posted June 20, 2010 Had a choke changed in an old wildfowling gun to shoot non toxic, i was told if i should sell the gun on it had to go to birmingham proof house for re proof before i sold it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted June 20, 2010 Report Share Posted June 20, 2010 Had a choke changed in an old wildfowling gun to shoot non toxic, i was told if i should sell the gun onit had to go to birmingham proof house for re proof before i sold it. I would have thought that if that was the case the person who did the work would have had to have had it reproofed before returning it to you. It's a completely different scenario to cutting a piece of barrel off such as the OP was going to do, but isn't removing the constriction of a choke going to make the gun less likely to burst the barrels because you've removed a constriction and the shot can travel thru much more easily Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted June 20, 2010 Report Share Posted June 20, 2010 Threading a barrel weakens it structurally because you have removed material from the barrel wall, but cutting off the same threaded part will strengthen the barrel because the weakened part has been removed The problem with peoples perseption is that the law is NOT certain!! http://jacksonrifles.com/zz-silencers/file...am_evidence.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted June 20, 2010 Report Share Posted June 20, 2010 I wouldn't broadcast that if I were you. It all depends on whether the rifle was made and threaded prior to the new proof laws. But if that rifle that you bought off the RFD was threaded after those proof laws were introduced, then he is guilty of selling a rifle that is out of proof and could lose his RFD’s licence.You would not be guilty of any offence by buying this rifle, but if you went on to sell it, then YOU would be at fault and could face prosecution. This proof thing is nothing more than a money-making scam introduced by the Proof House in order to bring in revenue to what was becoming a very rundown business. We all know it’s a scam, the Proof House knows it’s a scam but when they brought this to the last government they took absolute delight in pushing it into law, as they knew it was another thorn in the side of gun owners. Makes me want to cry, it really does, when we see legislation being foisted upon us at the behest of an organisation that was originally there for the benefit of gun-makers and shooters. A bit like gun dealers who import a cheap $200 rifle into this country and then charge £700 for it, complaining that the extra money is for VAT and import charges………yeh right. G.M. Who knows JM, I rather think this whole matter is debatable! http://jacksonrifles.com/zz-silencers/file...am_evidence.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham M Posted June 20, 2010 Report Share Posted June 20, 2010 Who knows JM, I rather think this whole matter is debatable! http://jacksonrifles.com/zz-silencers/file...am_evidence.pdf Yup! Read it all before when the legislation first came out, and it’s no clearer now than it was then. And if you read it through you will see that the opinion put forward by “Council” is just that………an opinion, and NOT a legal point of law. I agree that it’s the easiest thing in the world to get together with a friend and to sell a newly threaded and un-proofed gun, after all how are they to know when the thread was cut……..before or after you sold it. All the buyer has to say is that HE had the work done and how can it be proven otherwise without actually making him produce a receipt. And it’s amazing how easy it is to lose a receipt. No, this is just another ambiguous piece of law made up by Nu-labour in order to allow the police to arrest and charge someone, who would then have to prove that they weren’t guilty of an offence…….but in the meantime their guns would probably be seized, and we all know how difficult it is to try and get your guns back once they have been taken from you. G.M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted June 20, 2010 Report Share Posted June 20, 2010 Who knows JM, I rather think this whole matter is debatable! http://jacksonrifles.com/zz-silencers/file...am_evidence.pdf Yup! Read it all before when the legislation first came out, and it’s no clearer now than it was then.And if you read it through you will see that the opinion put forward by “Council” is just that………an opinion, and NOT a legal point of law. I agree that it’s the easiest thing in the world to get together with a friend and to sell a newly threaded and un-proofed gun, after all how are they to know when the thread was cut……..before or after you sold it. All the buyer has to say is that HE had the work done and how can it be proven otherwise without actually making him produce a receipt. And it’s amazing how easy it is to lose a receipt. No, this is just another ambiguous piece of law made up by Nu-labour in order to allow the police to arrest and charge someone, who would then have to prove that they weren’t guilty of an offence…….but in the meantime their guns would probably be seized, and we all know how difficult it is to try and get your guns back once they have been taken from you. G.M. Can't argue a lot with that, there seems an uncertainty between RFD as well, and that cannot be right! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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