problem on skeet

[busdennis]

hi all

have been shooting skeet for just under a year and have dragged my self up from 10 or so to averaging 20 with the odd 23 chucked in. no real problem on the middle stand and quite often get all 4. my problem being stand 6 on the low house bird where i dont seem to be able to pick the bird up quick enough and was always behind. lately ive just been rifling it

 

how do you shoot it?

[MC]

For the single bird on low 6 I shoot its left hand front edge as fast as possible, this will set you up for the pair. By shooting this as fast as possible it sets you up for the high bird and will give you more time. Don't bring the gun back to the trap house and try and swing through it, my hold position will be about halfway between the trap house and the range centre.

 

If you start to move the moment you hear the trap you will be ahead of it and won't need to play catch up.

[ride4fun]

For the single bird on low 6 I shoot its left hand front edge as fast as possible, this will set you up for the pair. By shooting this as fast as possible it sets you up for the high bird and will give you more time. Don't bring the gun back to the trap house and try and swing through it, my hold position will be about halfway between the trap house and the range centre.

 

If you start to move the moment you hear the trap you will be ahead of it and won't need to play catch up.

depending on wind conditions and the way that it is blowing, i tend normally to picture where the breaking point will be and not wind back to the trap house too much as if you do this you will not catch up with it as it is traveling way too fast. depending on how it is traveling i would say either give it a tiny lead (about a foot) or shoot straight at it, do this as soon as you see the whole target as doing this will give you enough time to shoot the next bird.

[pegleg31]

everyone see's lead differently but this is how i used to see it on skeet

 

stand 1=straight at them

 

stand 2=1ft in front

 

stand 3=2ft in front

 

stand 4=3ft in front

 

stand 5=2ft in front

 

stand 6=1ft in front

 

stand 7=straight at them

 

 

i have'nt shot clays for awhile but i was conisistantly hitting 23/24 never hit 25 and even missed the low bird on stand 7 which i still think i could hit with my eye's shut now

[Windknot]

I found the Todd Bender videos very helpful. I find I have to try and shoot just under low 6 to get consistent breaks- I have a habit of shooting over it.

[poontang]

hi all

have been shooting skeet for just under a year and have dragged my self up from 10 or so to averaging 20 with the odd 23 chucked in. no real problem on the middle stand and quite often get all 4. my problem being stand 6 on the low house bird where i dont seem to be able to pick the bird up quick enough and was always behind. lately ive just been rifling it

 

how do you shoot it?

 

Don't rush it.

 

You'd be surprised how much time you've got, but remember the birds should cross in the middle of the range so as long as you kill the first bird by that point you should have plenty of time to get onto the high bird.

 

It sounds as if you're looking too far back to the traphouse and rushing after the bird. Try holding out further, and under the line of flight then just a short push up and in front should do the trick. Obviously keep the gun moving in a smooth, controlled manner. Make sure you set yourself up so you've got enough room to swing through the bird comfortably. I doubt i move my muzzles more than about 18" on that bird. I pretty much let the bird come to me then a gentle push up and in front and pull the trigger.

[Emmsy]

if you cant catch it your probably starting too far back to the trap house or have your feet pointing too far back to the trap and running out of swing (assuming right handed)

place your feet to point approx 2/3rds of the way from low house to centre peg, move your body to pickup point being approx half way to centre peg and see how you get on.

[paulos]

As said before - don't rush it, you have plenty of time. I shoot it a couple of feet past the centre peg, so stand ready to shoot it there. Hold my gun a few feet before the peg and then look for the target out of the corner of my eye. Just as the clay starts to reach your hold point, start the gun moving and pull the trigger when you see the lead. The gun barely seems to move, but leaves you plenty of time to get onto the second bird.

 

There's no point making life difficult by rushing and trying to shoot as soon as possible.

[100milesaway]

:yp: Depending on your eye dominance the l/r bird will want different lead to the r/l bird on the same peg. The difference being the width of space between your eyes, which is quite alot multiplied at 15 or 20 feet away.from Auntie.

[poontang]

:yp: Depending on your eye dominance the l/r bird will want different lead to the r/l bird on the same peg. The difference being the width of space between your eyes, which is quite alot multiplied at 15 or 20 feet away.from Auntie.

 

Is that the distance between your pupils, or just across the bridge of your nose?

[100milesaway]

Is that the distance between your pupils, or just across the bridge of your nose?

Your Pupils. from Auntie :yp:

[Emmsy]

:yp: Depending on your eye dominance the l/r bird will want different lead to the r/l bird on the same peg. The difference being the width of space between your eyes, which is quite alot multiplied at 15 or 20 feet away.from Auntie.

***? is this a wind up? LOL

Edited June 22, 2010 by Emmsy

[poontang]

***? is this a wind up? LOL

 

I hope so.

 

It's 70mm between my pupils, so over 20 feet thats 1400mm (4ft 7")

 

Shooting from stand 4, about 20 yards, that's a difference in lead of a whopping 4.2m (13ft 8") :yp:

[100milesaway]

Sorry i'm not very good at explaining it, but you will be giving a clay different percieved lead. Shooting off my right shoulder,i'm right eye dominent,I appear to give a l to r ,4 foot, where on a r to l i shoot straight at it. They both seem to have the same amount of lead but your brain should compensate.I hope someone can explain better than me. Doh :blink:

[MC]

That is the problem with lead and telling someone to give a clay four foot. Everyone of us will see four foot differently. Everyones eyes are different. In theory a low 2 skeet bird will need the same ammount of lead as a high 6 but I bet nearly everyone who shoots skeet regularly sees something different.

 

Agian totally theoretically if your dominant eye is directly behind the barrel you should see 4 foot as 4 foot regardless of which way the clay is travelling. However as we all see differently we all adapt our shooting style to suit what we see.

 

At the recent Essex team shoot the last stand was a pair of left to right crossers, one close in and one about 30 yards ish. I shot the stand first and missed the first two further out, I gave it a bit, then a bit more and then I cut it back and found them.

I would have said I gave it about 2-3 feet.

When Mungler shot it and he did the same as me missing the first couple, then he found them. When he came out the cage I asked him if he was overleading them and he said no he gave them about 6 foot.

 

I find that listening to people say they gave something 3 foot, or 6 foot messes with your head. You need to shoot how you see things, not how someone else sees them.

[100milesaway]

That is the problem with lead and telling someone to give a clay four foot. Everyone of us will see four foot differently. Everyones eyes are different. In theory a low 2 skeet bird will need the same ammount of lead as a high 6 but I bet nearly everyone who shoots skeet regularly sees something different.

 

Agian totally theoretically if your dominant eye is directly behind the barrel you should see 4 foot as 4 foot regardless of which way the clay is travelling. However as we all see differently we all adapt our shooting style to suit what we see.

 

At the recent Essex team shoot the last stand was a pair of left to right crossers, one close in and one about 30 yards ish. I shot the stand first and missed the first two further out, I gave it a bit, then a bit more and then I cut it back and found them.

I would have said I gave it about 2-3 feet.

When Mungler shot it and he did the same as me missing the first couple, then he found them. When he came out the cage I asked him if he was overleading them and he said no he gave them about 6 foot.

 

I find that listening to people say they gave something 3 foot, or 6 foot messes with your head. You need to shoot how you see things, not how someone else sees them.

I'm with you on this , it also means speed of swing comes into play. All i know is that on the centre peg at skeet my lead appears to be alot greater on my r to l than my l to r.My head tells me that is not possible but my eyes certainly see it that way. from Auntie.

[Emmsy]

if you say you give it nothing one way and 4 feet the other it sounds like your using the wrong eye!

[Mr Potter]

I'm with you on this , it also means speed of swing comes into play. All i know is that on the centre peg at skeet my lead appears to be alot greater on my r to l than my l to r.My head tells me that is not possible but my eyes certainly see it that way. from Auntie.

 

Agree completely Auntie but the other way round, I see nothing on anything going right to left, doesn't matter how fast or distant nothing but anything going the other way, left to right, I see varying amounts of lead. A L to R fast crosser at say 30 to 40 yards and I will see the length of a small bus

 

Sounds implausible and defying the laws of physics but thats what I see, it's one reason I'm very reluctant to attempt to advise others when asked, you know the scene, you've just straightened a stand with a longish fast R to L crosser and your mate says "what were you giving that crosser"? When you say nothing, I pulled the trigger just as i caught the bird! they don't believe you and probably think I'm trying to mislead them :blink:. I've always thought it was because I had a much faster swing on R to L birds but it could well be that my left eye becomes dominant on those targets but whatever the reason I think everyone sees lead differently, some describe it at the muzzle (inches) whilst others at the target (yards). Whose right, everyone who hits the clay

 

I realise I'm talking about English & FITASC Sporting as I have a low boredom threshold so don't shoot skeet very often (25 x once or maybe twice a year) but the principles are the same, in fact I would endorse Catamong's advice and recommend skeet as a beginners discipline to learn the art of lead and angles, if you can regularly hit 22/23 at skeet you should have nearly all the bases covered on an average round of sporting.

 

Before this offends the skeet shooters reading this post let me say Sorry, I'm not knocking skeet it's just not for me. I sometimes wish it was, as besides teaching lead and angles, if you are shooting it competitively you need two things I know I'm lacking, concentration and focus but it's no good I just wouldn't enjoy it

 

Mr Potter

[Son Of Potter]

Sounds implausible and defying the laws of physics but thats what I see, it's one reason I'm very reluctant to attempt to advise others when asked, you know the scene, you've just straightened a stand with a longish fast R to L crosser and your mate says "what were you giving that crosser"? When you say nothing, I pulled the trigger just as i caught the bird! they don't believe you and probably think I'm trying to mislead them evilmad.gif

 

 

He'll say anything to me to try and beat me!! :blink:

[Robbly]

Can you hit 2 high? then what you do to hit that just do the same but from right to left..

 

Just to keep it simple...... :blink:

[poontang]

Can you hit 2 high? then what you do to hit that just do the same but from right to left..

 

Just to keep it simple......

 

Not quite as simple though, as low house 6 is also rising, whereas the high house 2 bird is on a much flatter trajectory.

[100milesaway]

I can hit 2 high but 2 low needs less lead for me. Don't ask. Me brain hurts. from Auntie

[Mr_Logic]

All I do is take position on the centre peg, hold point roughly 45 degrees back, which works out IIRC to a little closer than half way to the trap house. Slightly above trap house window. Once the bird appears I just swing through, get in front and bang. Don't take much lead as I'm normally catching up PDQ.

 

I find on the singles I can miss if I shoot the high bird and swing back to take position for the low, but on the pairs when I take position after loading, I very rarely miss it.