UKPoacher Posted July 6, 2010 Report Share Posted July 6, 2010 What's the opinions on the increasing number of non-toxic options for pigeon cartridges? I've seen some reasonably priced 28g - 30g ones in size 4 & 5 shot and was wondering if anyone has any experience of using them especially whether they aresuited to older guns with more open chokes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted July 6, 2010 Report Share Posted July 6, 2010 Not seen any advertised. Who makes them? Bit of a worrying turn imo :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardo Posted July 6, 2010 Report Share Posted July 6, 2010 on a related tip, i notice Gamebore now do a steel load with a fibre shot cup http://www.gamebore.com/page.php?id1=2&id2=5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted July 7, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2010 That link doesn't work Nick. Hull, Gamebore and others are advertising steel loads in all sorts of shot sizes. They are sometimes cheaper than conventional ones too. One of the farmers I shoot for will not stock wood pigeons in his farm shop because of the lead shot. If I used steel he would buy them from me. Hence the question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardo Posted July 7, 2010 Report Share Posted July 7, 2010 link works fine for me (on chrome, ie and firefox, on two different pcs!) if not click http://www.gamebore.com then click Product Line then the blue coloured silver steel link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted July 7, 2010 Report Share Posted July 7, 2010 (edited) just get a load thats fast. there are some really slow loads out there. ps, how many shoot pigeons with steel? i`m just wondering, i `d like to see what the numbers are like. Edited July 7, 2010 by cookoff013 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted July 7, 2010 Report Share Posted July 7, 2010 I occasionally use Gamebore Super Steel 24gms No 7 for pigeons I know I am going to decoy in close (30ish yards) and for the odd rabbit. My friend has a hawk and I keep his freezer stocked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted July 7, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2010 Got the link now Thanks. The loads seem to be on the heavy side and given that steel is lighter than lead I assume that there are more pellets per gram in similar shot sizes. I'd be happier with 24g or 28g loads as they would put less pressure on the barrel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted July 7, 2010 Report Share Posted July 7, 2010 how many shoot pigeons with steel? i`m just wondering, i `d like to see what the numbers are like. Personally i wouldn't. If you don't need to use it then it's just another nail in the coffin for lead imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
talkingheads Posted July 7, 2010 Report Share Posted July 7, 2010 Will be using 28g No7 steels on clays and pigeon, all down to price £119 @ 1000 must have chrome barrels, with the way steel shot has come on the chokes are not a problem, i know you could not use steel shot in 3/4 & full but all ok now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted July 8, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2010 Taken from the Gamebore website: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted July 8, 2010 Report Share Posted July 8, 2010 Will be using 28g No7 steels on clays and pigeon, all down to price £119 @ 1000 must have chrome barrels, with the way steel shot has come on the chokes are not a problem, i know you could not use steel shot in 3/4 & full but all ok now. -errrr, the chrome lined barrels are to reduce pitting / corrosion. i was just wondering, because i may develop a steel cartridge that could be of beneficial to pigeon shooters. i`ve got to get some stuff proofed first. but until then, i shall say, shoot steel fast, and with little or no choke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeh Posted July 8, 2010 Report Share Posted July 8, 2010 I got a gamebore cartridge leaflet thingy, and it said that your barrels didn't have to be proofed for steel shot using there cartridges, as the steel never leaves the wad before exiting the barrel! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richg Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 As some of you will know, i use steel for all my decoying. i have just got some Gamebore Steel 5s 28g with the fibre wad. i hope to test them in the field next week. I will keep you informed. Rich G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 As some of you will know, i use steel for all my decoying. i have just got some Gamebore Steel 5s 28g with the fibre wad. i hope to test them in the field next week.I will keep you informed. Rich G. i`d be really interested with the result. could you tell us the brand / product? not all steel shells are good. some have a speed of sub sonic ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted July 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 I'd be interested in your experiences too Rich Hull Cartridge give the following information: Steel 5's - 275 m/s at 20 m and 160 m/s at 50 m with a pellet count of 229 Lead 6's 260 m/s at 20m and 172 m/s at 50 m and a pellet count of 270 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anser2 Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 This subject has been well covered in the past . I sometimes use 32 gr gamebore steel in 4s and 3s for pigeons. They work very well to 40 yards and perhaps a little further , but at extream range ( 50 yards ) lead works better. But for decoying they are fine, indeed the kills are usualy cleaner with steel. When the harvest finaly comes ( its going to be very late in Norfolk this year ) I am taking a couple of forum non steel belevers out and we will be using steel and posting the results on here , probably in the second half of August Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest topshot_2k Posted July 10, 2010 Report Share Posted July 10, 2010 on a related tip, i notice Gamebore now do a steel load with a fibre shot cuphttp://www.gamebore.com/page.php?id1=2&id2=5 Have you seen the price of them? you wouldnt want too many decent days shooting pigeons with them Dont bother with steel, use lead - its better and no dearer than steel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted July 10, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2010 Have you seen the price of them? you wouldnt want too many decent days shooting pigeons with them Dont bother with steel, use lead - its better and no dearer than steel The steel cartridges are cheaper than lead ones. £158 per thousand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest topshot_2k Posted July 10, 2010 Report Share Posted July 10, 2010 The steel cartridges are cheaper than lead ones. £158 per thousand. not with fibre wads they are not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anser2 Posted July 10, 2010 Report Share Posted July 10, 2010 Topshot , I use lead for most of my pigeon decoying for one reason . they are free for me. I have used Gamebore 32gr no 4 or 3 , steel and they do the job fine. And they are the same price as the cheapest lead and cheaper than many lead shells. I will continue to use lead as long as my farmer gives them to me , but for decoying I can see little difference between the two shell types except you get more clean kills with good quality steel shells. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted July 10, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2010 not with fibre wads they are not The new degradable wads supplied with steel loads make steel cartridges cheaper than lead cartridges. Specialist steel wad features protective shot cup to aid barrel protection and is photodegradable to minimise littering Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted July 10, 2010 Report Share Posted July 10, 2010 (edited) Express Steel cartridges do the job for me. Just shoot at reasonable, non-ridiculous distances and they'll fall dead when you put the tubes in the right place. All this BS about ricochets should be ignored, if there's nothing to bounce off! Edited July 10, 2010 by Floating Chamber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest topshot_2k Posted July 11, 2010 Report Share Posted July 11, 2010 (edited) The new degradable wads supplied with steel loads make steel cartridges cheaper than lead cartridges. they dont degrade quick enough to use where there is livestock and can be fatal, and still look a mess all over the fields. Edited July 11, 2010 by topshot_2k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest topshot_2k Posted July 11, 2010 Report Share Posted July 11, 2010 Express Steel cartridges do the job for me. Just shoot at reasonable, non-ridiculous distances and they'll fall dead when you put the tubes in the right place. All this BS about ricochets should be ignored, if there's nothing to bounce off! no good for lamping rabbits then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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