UK fowler Posted August 1, 2010 Report Share Posted August 1, 2010 steel competiotion 7.5 in either 24/28g will kill very on flight ponds if on fore shore 56g bb/no2 steel would be good or get yourself a 8 bore! 56g of steel dont think so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted August 2, 2010 Report Share Posted August 2, 2010 steel competiotion 7.5 in either 24/28g will kill very on flight ponds if on fore shore 56g bb/no2 steel would be good or get yourself a 8 bore! I am struggling to believe I have read the above. I assume that Ducks lose all the winter down and hardier feathers the moment they fly towards a pond? 7.5s indeed :oops: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beretta28g Posted August 2, 2010 Report Share Posted August 2, 2010 Ok so what is your problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted August 2, 2010 Report Share Posted August 2, 2010 Ok so what is your problem I do not have a problem, As I said in my PM, I do not consider 7.5s in lead man enough for shooting anything living. I certainly cannot condone the use of 7.5s in steel for shooting ducks. I firmly believe (and all the arguing will not persuade me) that we owe it to any quarry to ensure (or do our damndest) a humane and clean kill. 7.5s are not man enough. I would not use less than a 6 on pigeons or game and would not use less than a 4 in steel at ducks. Your original post about 7.5s on a pond or BB's or 2's on the shore just goes to show that you do not have a clue when it comes to wildfowling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beretta28g Posted August 2, 2010 Report Share Posted August 2, 2010 Ok so why is BB wrong when wildfowling? Many thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted August 2, 2010 Report Share Posted August 2, 2010 Ok so why is BB wrong when wildfowling? Many thanks It isn't, I use several a year when the geese are around. The difference between a BB and a 7.5 is massive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beretta28g Posted August 2, 2010 Report Share Posted August 2, 2010 It isn't, I use several a year when the geese are around. The difference between a BB and a 7.5 is massive. Thanks for the clarification, i thought there was a problem with them with the way i read your last post. Yes its gotta be BB for geese . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted August 2, 2010 Report Share Posted August 2, 2010 bbs are for coastal and goose. shooting bbs far ducks is just plain sillyness. usually, bigger loads for costal, lighter for inland (dependant on quarry) if i was to go for ducks steel 4s or 5 tungstens, if i was to go for goose steel 1s and 2 tungstens, also range should be the same, whether you are on the coast or the pond. just because they are classed as wildfowl, doesnt give you an excuse to fire biggest loads the furthest. keep your feet on the floor please. range is more important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted August 2, 2010 Report Share Posted August 2, 2010 (edited) I am struggling to believe I have read the above. I assume that Ducks lose all the winter down and hardier feathers the moment they fly towards a pond? 7.5s indeed :oops: I do not have a problem, As I said in my PM, I do not consider 7.5s in lead man enough for shooting anything living. I certainly cannot condone the use of 7.5s in steel for shooting ducks. I firmly believe (and all the arguing will not persuade me) that we owe it to any quarry to ensure (or do our damndest) a humane and clean kill. 7.5s are not man enough. I would not use less than a 6 on pigeons or game and would not use less than a 4 in steel at ducks. Your original post about 7.5s on a pond or BB's or 2's on the shore just goes to show that you do not have a clue when it comes to wildfowling. 7.5 steel ARE man enough. I don't use them often but they kill mallard stone dead at a range of around 25-30 yards, which is the range i shoot generally over a small flightpond i have access to.If they didn't kill, i would never use them. If the range is extended, i would go for a 34gm 4. Edited August 2, 2010 by motty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune82 Posted August 2, 2010 Report Share Posted August 2, 2010 7.5 steel ARE man enough. I don't use them often but they kill mallard stone dead at a range of around 25-30 yards, which is the range i shoot generally over a small flightpond i have access to.If they didn't kill, i would never use them. If the range is extended, i would go for a 34gm 4. Personally I dont think they are. Last season on a pond in Scotland a mate hit 5 ducks which were all pricked. He thought he was using 32 gram no3 steel but couldnt see the cartridges as it was getting dark. When we got back to the car they were 28 gram 7.5 steel which he picked up by mistake. I shot 3 ducks with 32 gram no4 steel all stone dead. Using 7.5 steel is like using no.9 lead. I certainly dont think anyone would go to a pind with no.9 lead shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJ91 Posted August 2, 2010 Report Share Posted August 2, 2010 Personally I dont think they are. Last season on a pond in Scotland a mate hit 5 ducks which were all pricked. He thought he was using 32 gram no3 steel but couldnt see the cartridges as it was getting dark. When we got back to the car they were 28 gram 7.5 steel which he picked up by mistake. I shot 3 ducks with 32 gram no4 steel all stone dead. Using 7.5 steel is like using no.9 lead. I certainly dont think anyone would go to a pind with no.9 lead shot. maybe your mate was hitting the passenger not the pilot...who knows i wouldnt use 7.5 28gram steel for duck though, but everyone has there personal preferences, i just go by what i have personally experienced, i dont use something if i think it is not 'MAN' enough, but then again i probably shoot other stuff with cartridges others may think not 'MAN' enough, i shoot with what i am confident can kill at the ranges i shoot, dont we all?? if everyone does then there should be no debate.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted August 3, 2010 Report Share Posted August 3, 2010 7.5 steel ARE man enough. I don't use them often but they kill mallard stone dead at a range of around 25-30 yards, which is the range i shoot generally over a small flightpond i have access to.If they didn't kill, i would never use them. If the range is extended, i would go for a 34gm 4. Why do you go out shooting completely undergunned? Why don't you just take a .410 or 9mm garden gun and show complete disrespect for your quarry and try and get all your fellow shooters a bad name by posting this absolute tripe. ANYONE using anything less than a 5 in steel for shooting ducks whether on a pond or foreshore really should have the certificate taken away and only be allowed hobbies that involve wool or stamps. How do you know the range may be extended? I have never had the option of reloading a different cartridge when shooting on my pond, at half light when the ducks appear and vanish just as fast you need to just shoot, not **** around with CLAY loads. It is exactly the same with shooting pigeons, yes the theory is to decoy them into a pattern in front of you but as PEST CONTROLLERS you really should be shooting at any pigeon that comes in range, and within range for any sensible person is out to about 40 yards. Why restrict yourself to 25 yards just so you can save 50p a box on cartridges? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utectok Posted August 3, 2010 Report Share Posted August 3, 2010 Why do you go out shooting completely undergunned? Why don't you just take a .410 or 9mm garden gun and show complete disrespect for your quarry and try and get all your fellow shooters a bad name by posting this absolute tripe. ANYONE using anything less than a 5 in steel for shooting ducks whether on a pond or foreshore really should have the certificate taken away and only be allowed hobbies that involve wool or stamps. How do you know the range may be extended? I have never had the option of reloading a different cartridge when shooting on my pond, at half light when the ducks appear and vanish just as fast you need to just shoot, not **** around with CLAY loads. It is exactly the same with shooting pigeons, yes the theory is to decoy them into a pattern in front of you but as PEST CONTROLLERS you really should be shooting at any pigeon that comes in range, and within range for any sensible person is out to about 40 yards. Why restrict yourself to 25 yards just so you can save 50p a box on cartridges? :good: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted August 3, 2010 Report Share Posted August 3, 2010 Why do you go out shooting completely undergunned? Why don't you just take a .410 or 9mm garden gun and show complete disrespect for your quarry and try and get all your fellow shooters a bad name by posting this absolute tripe. ANYONE using anything less than a 5 in steel for shooting ducks whether on a pond or foreshore really should have the certificate taken away and only be allowed hobbies that involve wool or stamps. How do you know the range may be extended? I have never had the option of reloading a different cartridge when shooting on my pond, at half light when the ducks appear and vanish just as fast you need to just shoot, not **** around with CLAY loads. It is exactly the same with shooting pigeons, yes the theory is to decoy them into a pattern in front of you but as PEST CONTROLLERS you really should be shooting at any pigeon that comes in range, and within range for any sensible person is out to about 40 yards. Why restrict yourself to 25 yards just so you can save 50p a box on cartridges? If i kill them stone dead, how exactly am i undergunned? I won't shoot at rangey birds if i am using them, simple. If birds fly high over the pond consistently, i change the load. Not rocket science is it? I don't use 7 1/2 too often, but it annoys me when people post on here that they do not kill. YES THEY DO! I am a competent shot, i know my ranges and will use what loads i see fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted August 4, 2010 Report Share Posted August 4, 2010 If i kill them stone dead, how exactly am i undergunned? I won't shoot at rangey birds if i am using them, simple. If birds fly high over the pond consistently, i change the load. Not rocket science is it? I don't use 7 1/2 too often, but it annoys me when people post on here that they do not kill. YES THEY DO! I am a competent shot, i know my ranges and will use what loads i see fit. Then carry on using what you like, I am also a competent shot but the only difference between you and I is I respect the quarry I am after and will always make damn sure I do my best to get a clean kill. I will not use CLAY loads to shoot at duck ( or anything else living for that matter) I really do not care what you say that they will kill, They won't at any sort of range and as far as I am concerned all you are acheinving by this gung ho BS attitude is fuelling the fire to get shooting banned. Do yourself and all other shooters a favour and either start shooting proper effective loads or take up knitting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted August 4, 2010 Report Share Posted August 4, 2010 Then carry on using what you like, I am also a competent shot but the only difference between you and I is I respect the quarry I am after and will always make damn sure I do my best to get a clean kill. I will not use CLAY loads to shoot at duck ( or anything else living for that matter) I really do not care what you say that they will kill, They won't at any sort of range and as far as I am concerned all you are acheinving by this gung ho BS attitude is fuelling the fire to get shooting banned. Do yourself and all other shooters a favour and either start shooting proper effective loads or take up knitting. What is gung ho about killing ducks with a particular load? Just because i've mentioned that it is possible to kill fairly close range ducks with 7 1/2 shot you believe that will fuel the fire to get shooting banned?!!! I respect my quarry. I don't go to the foreshore and take 100+ yard shots at pinkfoot like i've seen a lot of fowlers do. I don't even use many 7 1/2 on duck, but i've tried a lot of different loads on duck over the past few seasons to see how they perform and as i've mentioned before, it annoys me when people try to tell me what works when i know what works by killing duck with them. Maybe you don't believe they kill- i don't care. I KNOW they do! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted August 5, 2010 Report Share Posted August 5, 2010 What is gung ho about killing ducks with a particular load? Just because i've mentioned that it is possible to kill fairly close range ducks with 7 1/2 shot you believe that will fuel the fire to get shooting banned?!!! I respect my quarry. I don't go to the foreshore and take 100+ yard shots at pinkfoot like i've seen a lot of fowlers do. I don't even use many 7 1/2 on duck, but i've tried a lot of different loads on duck over the past few seasons to see how they perform and as i've mentioned before, it annoys me when people try to tell me what works when i know what works by killing duck with them. Maybe you don't believe they kill- i don't care. I KNOW they do! Quite right sir, You DO NOT CARE and that is where the problem lies. How did I know you would start banging on about foreshore fowlers? is it because you have been backed into a corner and you are wrong? Also how do you know of these 100+ yards shots if you do not go to the marsh? Is is because your "mates" tell you about it? You certainly do NOT show any respect to your quarry because if you did you would stop this pretence that 7.5s are suitable for duck and grow a pair of balls. But then again it is the summer holidays from school and we do have to make allowances for the influx of stupidity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted August 5, 2010 Report Share Posted August 5, 2010 its simple MC they are suitable for close range duck and if you have the respect and ability to not shoot at range then they will do the job, that is fact. I'd defy you to put your barbour on and stand 25 yards away from a "clay load" and see what it does one things for sure you'll be smarting for a very long time :blink: There is also a very big difference between an accurate gun and one who needs bigger shot to account for only getting one or two on target. Our flight ponds a lot of shots aren't much over tree height so going out with 3's is going to result in a fair few wasted unsuitable for the foodchain ducks if you hit them centre of the pattern Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted August 5, 2010 Report Share Posted August 5, 2010 Oh dear there is another one, And there do say that one is born every minute. They are not suitable as a duck load plain and simple. So you say that they kill out to 25 yards, big ******* deal. what happens when you go out and the ducks don't come in at "TREE HEIGHT"? 9's would kill a pheasant at 20 yards but I bet you don't use them when you go game shooting. You will come out with some ******** about not shooting low birds but then say you are happy to shoot 7.5 steel clay loads at ducks, which happen to have 2 layers of feathers and a waterproof coating. Why go out with ammunition that is not capable of doing the job correctly? it is just ******** of the highest order and all the arguments you can think of will not convince me. But then what do I know? I have only been wildfowling for about 25 years and shooting a lot longer than that. It is no difference to the 7.5 for pigeon argument, yes they work to a limited distance but why limit yourself? if you took 6's you could shoot every pigeon that came within 45 yards, like you should be doing as you are after all "Controlling pests" I do not own a barbour coat but I am going to do my damnest to find one and prove that steel 7.5s are no good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted August 5, 2010 Report Share Posted August 5, 2010 I'll supply the barbour and the disclaimer then we'll need someone who wants to try shooting someone :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted August 5, 2010 Report Share Posted August 5, 2010 7.5's on ducks, in the air? Never, never, never :blink: Pause for a minute and have a think. Why not just buy the right cartridge for the right job and encourage others to do likewise and represent the sport in a positive light on a public forum? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted August 5, 2010 Report Share Posted August 5, 2010 7.5's on ducks, in the air? Never, never, never :blink: Pause for a minute and have a think. Why not just buy the right cartridge for the right job and encourage others to do likewise and represent the sport in a positive light on a public forum? Why not indeed? I'll tell you why not, because as we were discussing last night 80% of the members on here don't own a gun, the next 15% are still at school and think a gun has a cable attached and plugs into the telly. 3% seem to know what they are doing and the other 2% argue for the sake of arguing, Hey Al4x? There is no need for a disclaimer, just go and shoot the barbour coat at 25 yards (true yards that is ie 36" or 914mm not HMR yards ) I will bet that very few if any pellets go through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted August 5, 2010 Report Share Posted August 5, 2010 funnily enough MC we were talking about you last night when we had a fox appear 40 yards out and look at us, result was one dead fox, simply because we didn't have to cycle a bolt just take the safety off any more and it would definitely have heard :blink: I get entirely what you're saying but the other side to this one is the guy has some they worked for him its hard to discount, some duck shooting is not exactly sporting and just possibly with low birds that you know are going to be low there is a place for it. On ours I could see you could get away with it if you're a decent shot, after all if you want to be absolutely certain you wait till they are on the ground and use a .223 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted August 5, 2010 Report Share Posted August 5, 2010 funnily enough MC we were talking about you last night when we had a fox appear 40 yards out and look at us, result was one dead fox, simply because we didn't have to cycle a bolt just take the safety off any more and it would definitely have heard :blink: I get entirely what you're saying but the other side to this one is the guy has some they worked for him its hard to discount, some duck shooting is not exactly sporting and just possibly with low birds that you know are going to be low there is a place for it. On ours I could see you could get away with it if you're a decent shot, after all if you want to be absolutely certain you wait till they are on the ground and use a .223 I always thought that you were a decent person who liked to srgue for the hell of it, now you have just shown what a complete cretin you really are. Why on earth would anyone post on a public forum about shooting ducks on the ground with a .223? What good is that? why blow it apart? What good is it going to be after that? Mind you, you fall in to the kill everything regardless brigade don't you? Why should it be fit for the table? after all the quarry list says I can shoot it so I will. And don't worry about the safety catch on a rifle situation, I will CERTAINLY be talking about you when you shoot someone because of a negligent discharge and I will also be in the public gallery when you are tried for manslaughter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted August 5, 2010 Report Share Posted August 5, 2010 calm down keep the stress levels under control, It was purely saying to be absolutely certain of a kill on ducks that would need to be the lengths you would have to go to unless you never miss or ***** one. Not that I use a rifle on ducks obviously as that wouldn't be sporting. As for the rifle well some of us do vermin control some clearly don't shoot much, under the circumstances last night it would have been impossible to shoot anyone but hey ho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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