dazza Posted July 26, 2010 Report Share Posted July 26, 2010 Maybe their to busy safeguarding country sports Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webber Posted July 26, 2010 Report Share Posted July 26, 2010 Maybe their to busy safeguarding country sports Maybe they are; but I emailed the same question around a year ago when the syndicate to which I then belonged were seriously considering joining CA to save a few bob. Several members expressed their dissatisfaction with the suggestion and the syndicate remained with BASC. webber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinkfooty Posted July 27, 2010 Report Share Posted July 27, 2010 For me, this placard at the CLA Game Fair over last weekend said it all: Exactly the same message was broadcast over the giant TV screen in the Gunmakers Row Pub. It was actually a very interesting Game Fair from a BASC point of view. Their several gundog competitions were attracting huge numbers of entrants, the launch of the 2010 WHT "duck" stamp (curlews actually) was phenomenal, their clay tuition was very popular and new members were flocking to join. But, most importantly, the mood was very much that BASC had got it exactly right in their responses to the game rearing and lead shot issues and that those magazines and other organisations that had tried to poison the membership with devious propaganda and blatant misrepresentations has singularly failed. Far from BASC losing members as a result, recruitment of new members has never been stronger. As I said, the above placard speaks for itself: Support an organisation that actually WINS fights for shooting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted July 27, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2010 the public attitude to shooting and hunting with dogs is definitely somewhat different the CA were on a loosing wicket but fought hard, you wait till the LAG reports concerns about lead from research done by the peregrine fund etc and wait to see the response then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazza Posted July 27, 2010 Report Share Posted July 27, 2010 Shame on BASC for taking the **** out of the banning of other peoples country pursuits. I see they didn't include wildfowling and led shot anywhere on their board. To be belittling another country sports organisation is a disgrace. We should be supporting ALL organisations. Where was BASC when CA where fighting for the lurcher and terrier men? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted July 27, 2010 Report Share Posted July 27, 2010 Oh dear yet another misinformed post. Maybe you don't remember how hard BASC fought to keep lead shot for wildfowling as you have the typical blinkered view that it has been banned so it must be BASC's fault. The ban on lead would have come in a hell of a lot earlier if it wasn't for BASC, but then why let the facts get in the way of a BASC bashing? ROLL UP ROLL UP get your stones here :yes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazza Posted July 27, 2010 Report Share Posted July 27, 2010 Oh dear yet another misinformed post. Maybe you don't remember how hard BASC fought to keep lead shot for wildfowling as you have the typical blinkered view that it has been banned so it must be BASC's fault. The ban on lead would have come in a hell of a lot earlier if it wasn't for BASC, but then why let the facts get in the way of a BASC bashing? ROLL UP ROLL UP get your stones here :yes: Yeah they fought hard. So what? It's banned. I'm a fully paid up member of BASC by the way. Childish bill boards and infighting won't help the future of country sports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted July 27, 2010 Report Share Posted July 27, 2010 Yeah they fought hard. So what? It's banned. I'm a fully paid up member of BASC by the way. Childish bill boards and infighting won't help the future of country sports. Yes it is banned, has it really made such a massive difference to your shooting? I know it hasn't to mine and I spend more time 'fowling than anything else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted July 27, 2010 Report Share Posted July 27, 2010 I see a couple of you have missed the point - the poster says 'Don't let them do the same to shooting as they did to hunting'. It is aimed at the government!!! They brought in the legislation!!! It calls on the support of people who enjoy shooting to come together under the BASC wing so we can ensure we have political and media support for shooting, so it does not suffer the same fate. Funny how those who object to the BASC poster don't object to the CA deliberately targeting BASC members in their advert in ST and on their massive poster at the CLA! Where were BASC when the hunting debate was in full cry? Right there with the CA, organising members to go to marches and rallies, paying for full page adverts in the main regional media, and so on…but did shooting get a fair hearing when the hunters were trying to valiantly protect their sport? You judge. OK you asked about terriers, who was it that secured the protection for terriers to be still used to protect game? BASC that’s who!!! Who made sure the hunting bill did not affect the use of dogs to flush game? BASC that’s who!! Yes we should all be supporting the relevant orgs who protect our sport, and maybe each org should stick to what it is best at rather than trying to spread itself too thin and thus risk becoming less effective. David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazza Posted July 27, 2010 Report Share Posted July 27, 2010 My main point is that BASC, CA, NGO etc should all be standing together to fight for our sport. One thing for sure is the anti's are united in trying to destroy it. Fox hunting, stag hunting, hare coursing all gone. Shooting and fishing are next on the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lampwick Posted July 27, 2010 Report Share Posted July 27, 2010 I'm currently not a member of either and this thread has been quite informative, but also quite disappointing! I have been shooting for quite a while on and off but recently getting into it more and more. Got my FAC through yesterday which is the trigger for signing up to support somebody and in that the sport, but who? Neither of these two appear to be covering themselves in glory. I currently pay two subscriptions to angling organisations because they have different specialisms and couldn't come to an agreement to join together. Not sure I will do so for much longer. I used to pay for two professional fees for my work but don't now. You pays your money you gets your choice yes but my money is getting tighter and more call upon it with my boy growing up! Now I want to protect his future right to hunt and own a firearm/shotgun if he so wishes and will pay an organisation to do that so please BASC please CA sit down talk it over and sort it out this is embarassing and does no one any good. Yes the antis must be loving this "divide and conqour" they don't need to even think about this tactic! I was once asked "how do you eat a whole elephant"? The answer was slowly! If field sports are banned bit by bit, one day it will be gone. Yes we need to be humane, environmentally ethical, safe etc but we also need to be together. I apprecite there must be loads of politics going on but frankly if you can't sort it out, get out of it and let somebody else get it done! This may seem a rather nieve post sorry but some thoughts I felt a need to put down. My hard earned cash is waiting, for how long I wonder? Happy to be educated further please as to my best options and sorry for any spelling or grammer issues I'm on the I phone and it's making me go blind to write let alone read this. Cheers Shippy Shippy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted July 27, 2010 Report Share Posted July 27, 2010 I would agree that it makes common sense to stand together, bringing our expertise and resources to the fore, and accepting that each has its own specialism, and bias in resources. This is happening with the LAG for example, it has happened recently with the working group that reviewed the new Code on gamebird rearing As I have said before on this thread and others, I can see no other organisation that is better placed to take forward the fight on Hunting with Hounds than the CA, and as others have said they also have experience in the wider rural issues such as post offices, bus routs and so on. If that you bag then that’s who you should support for those reasons. BASC though is much better placed and resourced to keep shooting safe – and if shooting is your thing then surely it makes sense to back BASC. Others too have a vital and important roll to play and there is far more cooperation between the orgs that perhaps is apparent. Divided we fall I agree, and one organisation overtly targeting members of another organisation is not going to help anything is it? We need to learn from the past and not ignore how parliament took away Hunting as we knew it, learn from this and not allow this to happen to shooting & fishing as people have rightly said. So support your sport, join the organisation(s) that most suite you. David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted July 27, 2010 Report Share Posted July 27, 2010 So support your sport, join the organisation(s) that most suite you. David Apart from adding, "join as many organisations as you can", we will let that be the last word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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