New Calibre Suggestions

[CZ550Kevlar]

I currently have .223 Rem, .17HMR and .22RF on my open licence, I have a .22-250 slot that i need to get opened again as i bought a rifle and changed my mind about it the next day after not even firing it. Now seeing as my licence is going in i thought i would have a spring clean and request some other calibres and pay the £26 fee.

I want a second .22RF slot as i have a Ruger 10/22T with the big .920" barrel which is good for target work and shooting off a vehicle but too heavy to carry around so i want a second bolt action .22RF and while i`m at it i want a slot for a second .22 moderator, that`s the easy bit. Now i also want a rifle that has more legs than a .223 and gives a flat trajectory to a longer range and not too prone to wind affecting it for foxes and rabbits etc for daytime shooting, do i just stick with the .22-250 and use that which seems abit much or is there another calibre people can suggest from experience.

[al4x]

.243 will give you a lot more flexibility with the bonus of being deer legal and not too expensive to run. I'm going for one on renewal and will probably chop my .223 in as really everything it does the .243 will do better.

[jamie g]

i would get a nice fast twist 22/250. if you go for a 1 in 9 you can push 55 grain up to 75 grain bullets. you could get 3600, 3700 fps with the 55 grains

 

and around 3300 fps with the 75 grain amax.

 

i was going to go for a 243 next but wont bother im going to get a fast twist 22/250 barrel for my winchester when the standard 1 in 14 twist is gone.

 

the 75 grain bullets out the 22/250 has a better bc then the 87 grain vmax from a 243 !

 

of course the 243 is deer legal for all deer where the 22/250 isnt. i did hear they where going to change it so roe could be had with 22 cf but i wouldnt hold my breath anytime soon

if that happens then that will be a bonus for me.

 

if its just foxing use then the 22/250 will do the same as the 243 pushing a 55 grain bullet but with less powder. why use 43 grains when you can use 35 grains for the same bullet at the same sort of speeds.

 

imo if i was foxing alot with the 243 i would just use the 70 grain bullets. thats where the 243 is very good. and there isnt much more drop say at 300 yards to what the 55 grain bullets would be doing at 300 yards. you have much better bc which in turn bucks the wind better. and will hit harder

Edited August 27, 2010 by jamie g

[Beretta28g]

Why not try either a .204 ruger or a .20-250 in stead, both lethal for foxes and something bigger like 6.5x55/.270 if you want deer capability too?

[6br]

why not go for a 6mmBR uses less powder then a .22/250 with nearly the performance of the .243. super accurate, case seem to last forever some of mine have had 12 firing and still going strong, will shoot 75gr v-max @ 3300+ FPS or the 58gr v-max @ 3600+ fps and great for vermin, foxes , and Deer. don't get me wrong a .22/250 is a good calibre but

the 6mmBR is better and I wouldn't like to change back to a .22/250 after using one for 13 years.

[jamie g]

why not go for a 6mmBR uses less powder then a .22/250 with nearly the performance of the .243. super accurate, case seem to last forever some of mine have had 12 firing and still going strong, will shoot 75gr v-max @ 3300+ FPS or the 58gr v-max @ 3600+ fps and great for vermin, foxes , and Deer. don't get me wrong a .22/250 is a good calibre but

the 6mmBR is better and I wouldn't like to change back to a .22/250 after using one for 13 years.

 

what length barrel are you using to get those speeds mate

 

plus i forgot to say most forces dont give out 6mm rifles just for fox and vermin. you have to have it granted mainly for deer. and if you havent got that on your land. i cant see them giving you 6mm for fox.

 

of course some forces have granted 6mm to people just for fox. but there pretty lucky i think

Edited August 27, 2010 by jamie g

[6br]

what length barrel are you using to get those speeds mate

 

plus i forgot to say most forces dont give out 6mm rifles just for fox and vermin. you have to have it granted mainly for deer. and if you havent got that on your land. i cant see them giving you 6mm for fox.

 

of course some forces have granted 6mm to people just for fox. but there pretty lucky i think

 

Hi there I'M using a 24 inch barrel to get that velocity which is only a mild load. they are many that can get 3800 3900 using 55gr & 58gr heads, we are ok her in this area to use 6mm for vermin, fox, Deer. I know a lot of areas that don't allow 6mm for vermin though.

[jamie g]

Hi there I'M using a 24 inch barrel to get that velocity which is only a mild load. they are many that can get 3800 3900 using 55gr & 58gr heads, we are ok her in this area to use 6mm for vermin, fox, Deer. I know a lot of areas that don't allow 6mm for vermin though.

 

my area in west mercia does. what i mean tho is if i was after a 6mm just for fox they wouldnt let me inless i had it for deer as the main rifle. if you got deer and can shoot them your fine. then they will put fox and vermin on it.

 

weird really as in the guidelines it states 243 for varmints so it should given.

 

i do like the look of the br. 4 people i no got them and love them

 

i shot a barnards action one with pacnor barrel shootijng 105 grain smk's i think they where. deadly accurate brass and dies are pretty dear for them tho.

mind the brass is laupa so its the best you can buy

Edited August 27, 2010 by jamie g

[Dekers]

I currently have .223 Rem, .17HMR and .22RF on my open licence, I have a .22-250 slot that i need to get opened again as i bought a rifle and changed my mind about it the next day after not even firing it. Now seeing as my licence is going in i thought i would have a spring clean and request some other calibres and pay the £26 fee.

I want a second .22RF slot as i have a Ruger 10/22T with the big .920" barrel which is good for target work and shooting off a vehicle but too heavy to carry around so i want a second bolt action .22RF and while i`m at it i want a slot for a second .22 moderator, that`s the easy bit. Now i also want a rifle that has more legs than a .223 and gives a flat trajectory to a longer range and not too prone to wind affecting it for foxes and rabbits etc for daytime shooting, do i just stick with the .22-250 and use that which seems abit much or is there another calibre people can suggest from experience.

 

 

I'm confused, you want something with a bit more legs than a .223, you don't like your 22-250 without even firing it, and you think a 22-250 may be too much gun anyway:hmm:

 

Why does it seem a bit much if you want something more than a .223, and what else fits between the two?

 

Your only chance may be to go DOWN to a VERY VERY fussy .204.

 

[CZ550Kevlar]

I'm confused, you want something with a bit more legs than a .223, you don't like your 22-250 without even firing it, and you think a 22-250 may be too much gun anyway:hmm:

 

Why does it seem a bit much if you want something more than a .223, and what else fits between the two?

 

Your only chance may be to go DOWN to a VERY VERY fussy .204.

 

 

I got my .22-250 variation and went and bought the rifle, always in the back of my mind i kept thinking about the .243 and should i have gone for that instead, this is why i`m looking for other suggestions, i`m seriously thinking going for a .243 for fox and vermin, the .204 i`m counting out as they seem to be very thin on the ground rifle wise but bags of choice in .243 and 22-250, from what i have read i think .243 will suit me more than the 22-250, so many pros and cons which makes it difficult, although least i have it narrowed to just two calibres. Will see if i can be cheeky and ask for a .243 plus moderator and leave the 22-250 on there aswell.

[jamie g]

I got my .22-250 variation and went and bought the rifle, always in the back of my mind i kept thinking about the .243 and should i have gone for that instead, this is why i`m looking for other suggestions, i`m seriously thinking going for a .243 for fox and vermin, the .204 i`m counting out as they seem to be very thin on the ground rifle wise but bags of choice in .243 and 22-250, from what i have read i think .243 will suit me more than the 22-250, so many pros and cons which makes it difficult, although least i have it narrowed to just two calibres. Will see if i can be cheeky and ask for a .243 plus moderator and leave the 22-250 on there aswell.

 

 

why mate get one or the other. there is no point having two rifles that do the same sort of thing. you want to see if your department will let you have 243 for just fox and vermin 1st. if they say no then 22/250 is your rifle

Edited August 27, 2010 by jamie g

[CZ550Kevlar]

I wanted to get the .243 and mod on there too so i gain 2 slots that i can use later depending on which rifle comes up first, i`m paying £26 so may aswell try and get the maximum spares for use later.

Will send off my variation form and my wishlist on a seperate bit of paper and see what my ever changing FEO says when he pops round, i have a feeling Kent may say that Fox and vermin only on a .243 is a no and say stick with the 22-250 because of having no deer.

[njc110381]

Flat and not bullied by the wind? Why not got for a .300RUM?

 

Sorry... Bigger isn't always better. I must try to remember that!

 

.243 sounds ideal. Mine busts bunnies fairly well.

[kent]

Think seriously, how far out are you needing to shoot them? Sounds more of a want than a need if you have the cash and like a lot of guns fine your option but if you couldn't hit them at up to 300 with a good .223 then 243" or 22-250 aint gonna help you that much calling the shots is still gonna take a fair amount of skill and practice as they all drop and they all drift. Taliking of which i am hearing of some 22-250 high BC bullets here that will need non std twist for the calibre to shoot realy well so if you take that route take care what tube it comes with

[Dekers]

I got my .22-250 variation and went and bought the rifle, always in the back of my mind i kept thinking about the .243 and should i have gone for that instead, this is why i`m looking for other suggestions, i`m seriously thinking going for a .243 for fox and vermin, the .204 i`m counting out as they seem to be very thin on the ground rifle wise but bags of choice in .243 and 22-250, from what i have read i think .243 will suit me more than the 22-250, so many pros and cons which makes it difficult, although least i have it narrowed to just two calibres. Will see if i can be cheeky and ask for a .243 plus moderator and leave the 22-250 on there aswell.

 

The .243 is more gun than a 22-250 which you already think may be too much gun, I'm even more confused, ATB!.....and for most shooters a 22-250 and .243 would not be required! A .243 with a light Ballistic tip will do everything and more than a 22-250, and you have all the deer potential as well!!

[jamie g]

The .243 is more gun than a 22-250 which you already think may be too much gun, I'm even more confused, ATB!.....and for most shooters a 22-250 and .243 would not be required! A .243 with a light Ballistic tip will do everything and more than a 22-250, and you have all the deer potential as well!!

 

deker have you seen the 22/250 with 55 grain bullet and a 243 with 55 grain bullet there isnt much in it. all the 243 is doing is using more powder.

 

if you want to shoot long range foxes just stick to a 70 grain blizking there isnt much more drop of the bullet at 300 yards and your getting much better bc.

 

if you are going to push the heavier bullets in a 22/250 your going to need a 1 in 9. there are a couple of gunmakers that do this savage is one of them. or just buy a cheap shot out rifle and get that done which is what i would do. at least you can have a custom barrel on it then

[Dekers]

The .243 is more gun than a 22-250 which you already think may be too much gun, I'm even more confused, ATB!.....and for most shooters a 22-250 and .243 would not be required! A .243 with a light Ballistic tip will do everything and more than a 22-250, and you have all the deer potential as well!!

 

 

deker have you seen the 22/250 with 55 grain bullet and a 243 with 55 grain bullet there isnt much in it. all the 243 is doing is using more powder.

 

if you want to shoot long range foxes just stick to a 70 grain blizking there isnt much more drop of the bullet at 300 yards and your getting much better bc.

 

if you are going to push the heavier bullets in a 22/250 your going to need a 1 in 9. there are a couple of gunmakers that do this savage is one of them. or just buy a cheap shot out rifle and get that done which is what i would do. at least you can have a custom barrel on it then

 

 

No mention of reloading here, so factory makes very little difference, actually .22-250 is usually as much or more than .243, and a .243 will punch more than the 22-250 whatever (which apparently he hasn't even used), and gives more deer options...that was not really the issue the way I see it, apparently there is talk here of a 22-250 being too much gun and now CZ550Kevlar is talking about a .243!

 

Not used a 22-250 for a while and not many I know use them these days, simply because we all have so many other guns to select from, I have a gap between my .223 and .243 which is easily filled by ammo choice rather than having to buy a 22-250, I just don't need to get that specialised when I have the other two!!!

 

Hence I'm rather lost as to what this is about!

 

ATB!!

[CZ550Kevlar]

I currently have .223 Rem, .17HMR and .22RF on my open licence, I have a .22-250 slot that i need to get opened again as i bought a rifle and changed my mind about it the next day after not even firing it. Now seeing as my licence is going in i thought i would have a spring clean and request some other calibres and pay the £26 fee.

I want a second .22RF slot as i have a Ruger 10/22T with the big .920" barrel which is good for target work and shooting off a vehicle but too heavy to carry around so i want a second bolt action .22RF and while i`m at it i want a slot for a second .22 moderator, that`s the easy bit. Now i also want a rifle that has more legs than a .223 and gives a flat trajectory to a longer range and not too prone to wind affecting it for foxes and rabbits etc for daytime shooting, do i just stick with the .22-250 and use that which seems abit much or is there another calibre people can suggest from experience.

 

 

I'm confused, you want something with a bit more legs than a .223, you don't like your 22-250 without even firing it, and you think a 22-250 may be too much gun anyway:hmm:

 

Why does it seem a bit much if you want something more than a .223, and what else fits between the two?

 

Your only chance may be to go DOWN to a VERY VERY fussy .204.

 

 

 

No mention of reloading here, so factory makes very little difference, actually .22-250 is usually as much or more than .243, and a .243 will punch more than the 22-250 whatever (which apparently he hasn't even used), and gives more deer options...that was not really the issue the way I see it, apparently there is talk here of a 22-250 being too much gun and now CZ550Kevlar is talking about a .243!

 

Not used a 22-250 for a while and not many I know use them these days, simply because we all have so many other guns to select from, I have a gap between my .223 and .243 which is easily filled by ammo choice rather than having to buy a 22-250, I just don't need to get that specialised when I have the other two!!!

 

Hence I'm rather lost as to what this is about!

 

ATB!!

 

 

If people actually read the original post before jumping in hot headed and think they know it all, i said "do i just stick with the .22-250 and use that which SEEMS abit much or is there another calibre people can suggest from experience." i didn`t say it was too much, i simply asked if i`m sending my licence away is there another peossible route? To which i got the reply there is the option of a fussy .204, which is a smaller round but seems from reviews not a good choice of calibre, this being the case i was left with the .22-250 but then people said how about the .243 which i said in a later post was always in the back of my mind, which is why i asked for people with experience so i can weigh up the options, Also i said later to sum up i would ask for a .243 for fox and vermin leaving me open to put deer on at a later date and have the flexibility, but leave the .22-250 on my licence otherwise i lose the potential to gain spare slots, i didn`t say i was going to buy both calibres.

Thankyou to those people that helped with suggestions, and to those people that jumped in just picking holes and not being helpful, you put people off asking for help and advice