garymc Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 (edited) Hi Guys Hopefully you can help me. I am keen to give skeet a go and the club I go to sometimes doesn't have anyone available to explain things so I am asking your good selves for help. I have read up on what targets are thrown at each stand and each stand has a first clay and a second clay. Some stands then have a simultaneous pair. My question is this - Is the first clay thrown and then the second clay on report? Or is the first clay thrown on pull and then the second clay thrown on pull again? Also any tips would be appreciated! Cheers in advance! Edited November 2, 2010 by garymc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catamong Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 On report, you only call "PULL" once. Cat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilR Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 According to the CPSA rule book they are simultaneous pairs, so you call Pull once and you get the two targets released at the same time. Here's a link to the current CPSA rule book: http://www.cpsa.co.uk/userfiles/file/CPSA_Booklet_7.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigweed Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 (edited) On report, you only call "PULL" once. Cat Call pull for each single separately and then pull again for the pairs No such thing as on report in skeet Edited November 2, 2010 by Bigweed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garymc Posted November 2, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 According to the CPSA rule book they are simultaneous pairs, so you call Pull once and you get the two targets released at the same time. Here's a link to the current CPSA rule book: http://www.cpsa.co.uk/userfiles/file/CPSA_Booklet_7.pdf This booklet has 2 skeet disciplines covered - skeet doubles and English skeet. Your comment above refers to the skeet doubles, which adds more to the confusion. Interesting that there are various sub-disciplines so for the sake of this topic, I am referring to English skeet. So when it says "2 singles" - am I correct in saying this is 2 single clays, each thrown on the pull command, NOT on report? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigweed Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 . So when it says "2 singles" - am I correct in saying this is 2 single clays, each thrown on the pull command, NOT on report? correct - as i said no such thing as "on report" in skeet Separate call for each single and then one call for the pair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catamong Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 correct - as i said no such thing as "on report" in skeet Separate call for each single and then one call for the pair Yes, quite right, apologies, I didn't read the question properly. Cat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilR Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 This booklet has 2 skeet disciplines covered - skeet doubles and English skeet. Your comment above refers to the skeet doubles, which adds more to the confusion. Interesting that there are various sub-disciplines so for the sake of this topic, I am referring to English skeet. So when it says "2 singles" - am I correct in saying this is 2 single clays, each thrown on the pull command, NOT on report? Sorry, I misread your original post. Two singles released on your call. Then a simultaneous pair as I described, I was looking at English Skeet and para 4.20 on page 23/45 refers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P~MX Posted November 3, 2010 Report Share Posted November 3, 2010 I was always under the illusion that the first single bird (high 1) was realised on "Pull" and the 2nd single bird (low 1) was realised on "Mark" ~~~ yes / no ?? f3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigweed Posted November 3, 2010 Report Share Posted November 3, 2010 (edited) I was always under the illusion that the first single bird (high 1) was realised on "Pull" and the 2nd single bird (low 1) was realised on "Mark" ~~~ yes / no ?? f3 You still hear some shooters call like this and i believe stems from the days when there were no automatic traps. A trapper would be in each house so the shooter called "Pull" for the high house, "Mark" for the low house and "Pair" for the pairs. The trappers could then identify that the call was meant for them. Sometimes i hear calls which don't sound anything like Pull, Mark or Pair - some shooters just grunt Edited November 3, 2010 by Bigweed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diceman Posted November 3, 2010 Report Share Posted November 3, 2010 Sometimes i hear calls which don't sound anything like Pull, Mark or Pair - some shooters just grunt Reffing DTL the other week I had a different noise from each squad member, ranging from "hoooooooooll" to "ho!", one of them was such a high pitched squeak it was only the dog's ears twitching that told me I had to press the button. I shot with a ref once who refused to release the bird unless he clearly heard the word 'pull' and was very insistent that, on safety grounds, no other noise would do. I'm a "pullll-ahh" man myself... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulos Posted November 3, 2010 Report Share Posted November 3, 2010 My "pull" tends to turn to a grunt when I'm shooting DTL or ABT, but only because it seems to work better with the acoustic release systems (I mumble at the best of times and even the microphones can't tell what I'm saying ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hillmouse Posted November 4, 2010 Report Share Posted November 4, 2010 You hear all sorts of calls these days. Possibly better off not knowing what some of them are saying. As long as it is an obvious call I don't mind. Quiet calls can be missed. The ref./button pusher will have his ear protection on and if they are anything like me will already be half deaf before that goes on. Quite a few skeet shooters still stick to tradition with "Pull" for high house and "Mark" for the lowhouse targets. With button or accoustic release it makes no odds. I find the Canterbury accoustic skeet release can be a bit choosey so a good call is needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
100milesaway Posted November 4, 2010 Report Share Posted November 4, 2010 Some times if you have afew skeet layouts in a row you can hear the next door ranges calls , so mark for the low house reduces the confusion by half. from Auntie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonD Posted November 4, 2010 Report Share Posted November 4, 2010 Hi, Have a search for the Todd Bender Skeet Cheat Sheet, that will give you a good idea where your hold points should be on each stand, just ignore the bit about station 8 as we don't shoot that in English Skeet (ESK) or Skeet Doubles (SKD) the cheat sheet is written for NSSA (American Skeet) but the fundamentals for stations 1-7 are the same. Try to work on breaking the clays in the same place on the singles as you do on the doubles, that way you only have 14 lead pictures to learn. If you struggle to get on the second bird of the pair then concentrate on the singles and work up to the pairs, you will develop muscle memory and it will soon be much easier. Remember that if you kill the high 2M to the left on the centre peg then the low will be 2M to the right of the peg etc. Have a look at the wind conditions and direction of the wind before you start the round, this will help you make a decision on which way round to shoot the pair on 4 when you nominate higo or low first, i.e. if the wind is left to right you would choose high first as it would be driven by the wind and the low slowed down. You would reverse if the wind is right to left. Practice the pair on 4 in both directions, a lot of new skeet shooters just do one or the other and then lose kills when the wind is against them. Also remember hitting the pair with a single cartridge is a foul! i was well impressed the first time I did it and then found out it was a loss and pair again. Carry 5 or 6 spare cartridges just incase the above happens or fragments of the first clay take out the second. Not important at this point but if you start shooting competition be aware that is you shoot at you think would be a no bird you have accepted it, i.e. if the clay is not on it's normal flightline or wouldn't make the boundary. Have fun! If you can't find the cheat sheet PM me your email address and i'll email you a copy. Jon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hcarlos Posted November 4, 2010 Report Share Posted November 4, 2010 http://www.skeetshooters.co.uk/ has some good info Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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