kevinbird Posted November 16, 2010 Report Share Posted November 16, 2010 i have a browning maxus and it is capable of shooting steel shot . what type, size and weight of shot should i use for pigeons:hmm: i have one permision that insists on steel.kev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted November 16, 2010 Report Share Posted November 16, 2010 i have a browning maxus and it is capable of shooting steel shot . what type, size and weight of shot should i use for pigeons:hmm: i have one permision that insists on steel.kev Yes your maxus will take steel shot Do not go any tighter than half choke I would use whatever, in shot size 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrshiretaxidermy Posted November 16, 2010 Report Share Posted November 16, 2010 I also used steel 32g 4`s. Tho after trying some 28g 7`s im finding them a lot better and have switched to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted November 17, 2010 Report Share Posted November 17, 2010 28g #5s should be great, if you reload, then thats the ticket. just keep the speed up, 1400fps minimum. (within the of economics.) try the lighter shotcharges, you may be supprised at the speed and performance of the 21g loads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anser2 Posted November 21, 2010 Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 Stear clear of any recent Express steel. One friend bought a case of Express supreme 5s ( I shell I have used in tthe past and got on well with ) and they were usless. He shot a dozen pigeons for 28 shots at20-35 yards and killes 9 pigeons all runners. I was out with a mate last week who was using the 70mm blue 32 gr Express shells . Three failed to fire and two went off but did not have the power to shift the wad out of the cartridge case. Someone on the wildfowling forum tested the speed recently of the Express\Lydale 3 inch shells and found they averaged 850 fps , far to slow for steel. I used to love Express shells but would not touch them with a barge pole these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted November 22, 2010 Report Share Posted November 22, 2010 Stear clear of any recent Express steel. One friend bought a case of Express supreme 5s ( I shell I have used in tthe past and got on well with ) and they were usless. He shot a dozen pigeons for 28 shots at20-35 yards and killes 9 pigeons all runners. I was out with a mate last week who was using the 70mm blue 32 gr Express shells . Three failed to fire and two went off but did not have the power to shift the wad out of the cartridge case. Someone on the wildfowling forum tested the speed recently of the Express\Lydale 3 inch shells and found they averaged 850 fps , far to slow for steel. I used to love Express shells but would not touch them with a barge pole these days. the best manufacture of steel shells in my honest opinion, is gamebore. they arnt my favourite manufacturer, but i`ve never had any problems. they are leaps and bounds ahead of the other steel manufacturers. if we were nontoxic only, i`d buy 10,000 shells at a time. they are good value and break clays good. they actually have a speed of 1400fps which is the cip maximum speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted November 22, 2010 Report Share Posted November 22, 2010 funnily enough i've a slab of the 32 gram 70mm blue ones and not being a fan of steel have found them quite reasonable. I know I've shot some decent height cock birds with them and been pleasantly surprised. But like most shotgun shooting if you don't get the bird in the pattern you miss or on the edge wound. Not sure about the misfires not experienced them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyboots Posted November 22, 2010 Report Share Posted November 22, 2010 ive bought a few boxes of the express steel shells and they seem ok in number 3s the best ive had where gambore 5s which where very good on crows and pigeons just wish my dealer would get them in a 3 or 4 so i could try them at ducks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest topshot_2k Posted November 27, 2010 Report Share Posted November 27, 2010 the best manufacture of steel shells in my honest opinion, is gamebore. they arnt my favourite manufacturer, but i`ve never had any problems. they are leaps and bounds ahead of the other steel manufacturers. if we were nontoxic only, i`d buy 10,000 shells at a time. they are good value and break clays good. they actually have a speed of 1400fps which is the cip maximum speed. Remington are the leaders in terms of performance. I have taken a few steel carts to bits and Victory steel had shot that looked like it was swept up of the floor. Gamebore and express also had varying shot sizes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted November 28, 2010 Report Share Posted November 28, 2010 Remington are the leaders in terms of performance. I have taken a few steel carts to bits and Victory steel had shot that looked like it was swept up of the floor. Gamebore and express also had varying shot sizes - i was thinking within the cip mandate. those remington shells are better because they are loaded to saami specifications. they shouldnt be available here, but are due to the specialist nature. all cartridge manufacturers must have a velosity of 1400 or less for all steel shells. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted November 28, 2010 Report Share Posted November 28, 2010 - i was thinking within the cip mandate. those remington shells are better because they are loaded to saami specifications. they shouldnt be available here, but are due to the specialist nature. all cartridge manufacturers must have a velosity of 1400 or less for all steel shells. Why is that Surely it's breech pressures that matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted November 28, 2010 Report Share Posted November 28, 2010 (edited) all manufacturers of steel shells in the uk, have to manufacture shells that pass cip. (that are to be sold in the uk) they must... a, be 1400fps or less. b, have less than a certain recoil in N/S c, shotsize limitations too. the original reasons were to stop the excessive recoil, destroying older gunstocks. sammi specifications dont have a speed limit or a recoil and shotsize limit. basc have said in a statement on their website, they will support cartridge manufacture and liase with proofhouses to provide a suitable performing alternate. after shooting some lylevale shells, the shot was crawling out the barrel. eleys steel shells dont even break the sound barrier, lylevale shells are under 900fps. just to stay in the safe "zone" one of the things the cip doesnt do, is ensure the steel shot is contained in wad. handloading is the way forward for high performance steel. http://www.basc.org.uk/en/about-basc/basc-policies/basc-policy-on-lead-shot-and-other-sporting-ammunition.cfm BASC will continue to collaborate with the proof authorities, research institutions, cartridge and gun makers, as well as gun shops and retail outlets, to ensure that safe, effective, environmentally-acceptable and affordable non-lead ammunition is available and improves in quality, enabling its users to meet BASCs Respect for Quarry objectives. if basc do get the cip to relax their rules, then we will be flooded with high performance ammo, all the manufacturers make it in this country (exept eley) they just export them. lylevale, gamebore certainly do. just check the shells available from their websites, some shells arnt available here ! Edited November 28, 2010 by cookoff013 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted November 28, 2010 Report Share Posted November 28, 2010 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commission_Internationale_Permanente_pour_l'Epreuve_des_Armes_%C3%A0_Feu_Portatives One exception is arising due to the market introduction of lead free shotshell ammunition loaded with steel pellets instead of more traditional lead based pellets. Due to environmental regulations, hunters in Europe are required to use lead loaded ammunition carefully. For instance, in France, they cannot fire in the vicinity of a pond. In fact, the laws are so complex that some hunters in Europe prefer not to risk getting into problems for firing lead pellets at wrong places, so they opt for steel pellets in all situations. This makes that manufacturers need to market new types of lead free shotgun ammunition loaded with steel pellets. The Vickers hardness test VH1 must be below 100 but even so, steel is known to wear the barrel excessively over time if the pellets velocity becomes too high leading to potentially harmful situations for the user. As a result, the measurement of the pellets velocity is also an obligation for shotshell calibres 12, 16 and 20 in both standard and high performance versions. The pellets velocity must be below 425 m/s, 390 m/s and 390 m/s respectively for the standard versions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted November 28, 2010 Report Share Posted November 28, 2010 instead of all this "lead is bad" argument, they should have just left it and flooded the market with cheap steel shells. the public will buy the cheapest shells, this is proven by guys shooting steel 7s at pigeons, all for the grand cost of £110 per 1000. 24g steel 6 at 1600fps (actual not imaginary velocity) will be ideal for pigeons. they could make the shells for £100 /k. cook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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