Curly87 Posted February 17, 2006 Report Share Posted February 17, 2006 I have had a FAC for around one and a half years now, with a .22 rimmy on it plus a 6 shot auto. Just wondering how do I no whether or not my FAC is opened or closed I have nothing on paper to say either way, and it wasn’t mentioned when the firearms officer gave me my FAC. Do I just take it to be closed and only use it on the land stated on my application form, until I hear otherwise??? will they get bk to me to say that i can have my FAC opened? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunganick Posted February 17, 2006 Report Share Posted February 17, 2006 if you have to list the pieces of land on your ticket and inform plod about it, then you have a closed lisence. if you can shoot on any land which is cleared for the callibre you want to use, then you have a sort of 'semi open' ticket (now being issued as standard i believe) if you can shoot on anywhere you deem suitable and have the land owners permission, then you have an open ticket if you want an open ticket you need to beg for it. they dont just hand them out unfortuantly, they will almost certainly not tell you when you can get one (generally considered around 2-3yrs experiance) next time you are getting a variation ask for one, they can only say no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curly87 Posted February 17, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2006 The only place i had to state what land i was going to shoot on was on the initial application form which I gather everyone has to do, and doesn’t state any of that on my FAC, so I take it’s a Semi-open license then?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Symes Posted February 17, 2006 Report Share Posted February 17, 2006 Must be different rules in different counties. Here in Cheshire we were told that it would be a closed ticket for the first 5 years, like a probationery period, and then after that providing you've proved yourself,an open ticket could be granted. The closed ticket only entitles you to shoot on 'cleared' land. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted February 17, 2006 Report Share Posted February 17, 2006 Must be different rules in different counties. Here in Cheshire we were told that it would be a closed ticket for the first 5 years, like a probationery period, and then after that providing you've proved yourself,an open ticket could be granted.The closed ticket only entitles you to shoot on 'cleared' land. this is bolloxs. ask them in writing for a open, if they then give you this **** get onto the home office. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeye Posted February 17, 2006 Report Share Posted February 17, 2006 (edited) mine was open after 6 months Edited February 17, 2006 by hawkeye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted February 17, 2006 Report Share Posted February 17, 2006 mine was open after 6 months there you go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye ive Posted February 17, 2006 Report Share Posted February 17, 2006 Do I just take it to be closed and only use it on the land stated on my application form, until I hear otherwise??? will they get bk to me to say that i can have my FAC opened? Hi Basically there is a 5 yr period of which you'll have a RESTRICTED License .......It should ROUGHLY say in the conditions of use ANY LAND approved by the chief of police for the calibre stated on the license and to which shooting rights are granted. I got my open CERT after 4 years .........Had it not been for the .223 I would have got it sooner Ive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curly87 Posted February 18, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 hey thanks for all the replys, as being at uni at the mo, wat sort of period r u looking at b4 they start to ask questions about how much amunition ur buying? i get buy some around every 3-5 months or so, will this inhibit my chances of buying a .243 in a couple of years time? sorry if this doesnt make any sence had a few ciders at the local union cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Symes Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 this is bolloxs. ask them in writing for a open, if they then give you this **** get onto the home office. How did you go about getting the open ticket?? A few of us were applying at the same time and those were the facts that were given to us. We have the land for 'open' shooting on but because we don't have open tickets obviously can't shoot the land ( the land hasn't been inspected ). Were there any limitations on the rifles held?? Any info would be a great help . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palombier Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 Hi all If the words authorised by the Chief Officer of Police appear on your licence against whatever calibre, it is a more restrictive condition(closed). If it doesn't, you have a less restrictive condition(open). The difference means you have to get new land inspected if it is the 'closed' condition and if it is 'open' you make the decision about the land suitability. Land is no longer shown on certificates. All forces differ in their interpretation of when the open condition should be given. Remember the HO guidance is just that, guidance. Ringing the Home Office won't get you anywhere in my opinion and they will just refer you back to the police. Some will grant without any fuss, others will want to test experience and reason. You apply in writing to your firearms licensing office. Regards P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 Ringing the Home Office sorry mate i did not say ring em, any formal application to the firearms department or the home office should be done in writing.you may not have to go that far if you are a member of a shooting organization, they may take it up with your issuing department for you. i got my ticket opened after 16 months for all my rifles. but this involved a lot of give and take on both sides. but everything was done formally,do not rely on the odd phone call to get this sorted out. this subject is coverd very well on the guntrader site, in the fierarms and law section. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 How did you go about getting the open ticket?? I would ask your FEO what he would look for, as it varies from area to area. I phoned mine, aske hi the question, and he more or less gave me the words to put in the letter. I send that off with my FAC and got an open cert back 3 days later. If you haven't done a lot of shooting in the field (as opposed to on the range) it may be harder, as that is one of the things they like to see. ultimately, if they give you an open ticket, it is less work for the to do checking land al the time. My mate was told by his FEO they like to open tickets up in their area (once you have 'qualified') precisely for that reason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 Qualification is an interesting word. In Sussex you can apply for an open ticket after a minimum of 2-3 years. So how do they Qualify a ticket holder in just 2. Number of shots? how do they know what shooting you have done? Sussex are twisted, we have just learnt that they will clear all and sundry for 17HMR but not so for .22LR Subs! Oh well, who's complaining, the 17HMR is a sweet round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurcherboy Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 Fister, I was led to believe that the DSC 1 was viewed by the police as a worthwhile qualification and would aid you with the application. Is this not the case now? Sorry to go off tangent on your thread Lloyd. LB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curly87 Posted February 19, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 no worries i think i now know all i need about FAC's cheers for that guys Moving on to DSC 1 qualification whats ur general opinion is it worth spending x amount of money on it? i believe its around the £200 mark? And does any one know if any courses are run in the Devonshire area? cheers, lloyd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilishdave Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 Heartland 6-9 April BDS Courses Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurcherboy Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 Fister, I was led to believe that the DSC 1 was viewed by the police as a worthwhile qualification and would aid you with the application. Is this not the case now? Sorry to go off tangent on your thread Lloyd. LB Yes, the police did consider it worthwhile in my case but lets face it, its just a money grabbing exercise. If you can competently and safely shoot foxes at night then daytime deer are childs play in terms of safety. Too manyh people who have done the dsc course seem to think the peice of paper they hold makes them safe. I would say 30 % of the people on my course shouldnt be let loose with a gun. Clanging bolts closed with muzzles pointing up at 45 degress and then punching forward on set triggers with it still in the air and then saying "carefull, this trigger is(BANG) light" and dumping bullets in to the sandtraps, handling guns with people downrange at the club, unsafe reloading procedures, hammering bolts open and not allowing themselves to be told why, hammering bolts closed with their fists(even worse)..............the list goes on. Sometime i come away from shooting ranges shaking my head..........how do we have such a good safety record in shooting??:( Maybe these heavy triggers do help! BUT THESE PEOPLE WERE SAFE COS THEY HAVE THEIR DSC 1 BADGE! Now i dont want to bracket unfairly but............................ I agree that the certificate doesn't prove you are a safe shot. But I did think that that bit of paper gets anyone the goods. Thanks for the response Fister LB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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